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QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ May 25, 2006 -> 12:21 PM) What is ERA+? The ratio of the league's ERA (adjusted to the pitcher's ballpark) to that of the pitcher so lgERA / ERA. 100 is about average, Jon Garland had a 105 ERA+ comming into this season.

AJ had a wig on pretending he was Crede, pretty damn funny. Jim Thome screwing around is funny in its own right, I mean, it's Jim Thome.

QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ May 25, 2006 -> 12:03 PM) I thought the MLB NEVER suspends anyone who was not ejected from the game? I have no proof to back this up. It's completely what I have been hearing from tons of people. Meaning Pods can't get suspended. Again, I am not sure if this is true. This really isn't true, they'll suspend anyone whom they felt added to the brawl on Saturday, regardless of whether they were ejected of not.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ May 25, 2006 -> 11:52 AM) No way. Mariotti's not going anywhere, even if some people ignore him. If everyone who dislikes Marriotti simply stop paying any attention to him, he'll slip into obscurity. He banks on people hating him, if he loses that, he's screwed.

QUOTE(Steff @ May 25, 2006 -> 11:27 AM) For starters, since he felt compelled he could have (should have) stepped in between them without grabbing MB by the throat... He didn't really grab him by the throat, I just rewatched it again and checked a few pics. He drove himself in to Barretts chest knocking him backwards while the Ump reached in a grabbed barrett then BA flew by and grazed Barrett's right eye which lead to Pods falling over Barrett after that Pods' arm hooked under Barrett's left arm and they both fell. He never had him by the throat from what I see.

QUOTE(YASNY @ May 25, 2006 -> 11:25 AM) When push comes to shove, doing the wave while the action is ongoing is just rude. You are blocking the view of people who rightfully expect to sit and watch a ballgame. The random crowd noise is pretty distracting too. At just random times you'll have large groups of people just scream at the top of thier lungs, this happened at some damn crutial moments in the 8th yeterday and really took away from the importance of the game. I mean last night was one of the best games of the year and that many people found it boring enough to warrant starting the wave.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ May 25, 2006 -> 11:22 AM) I'm not sure about Pods...yeah he did a lot, but he was also RIGHT THERE when it happened, it's not like he was coming out of the dugout, AJ was sucker punched right in front of him, what was he supposed to do, nothing? Exactly, his actions in the eyes of everyone I've come across have been viewed as justified and I'm hoping the league will feel the same way. If Pods had just stood there and done nothing then he should have been suspended for being a pussy and not sticking up for his teammate.

QUOTE(YASNY @ May 25, 2006 -> 11:21 AM) Because Contreras is a starting pitcher. A 3 games suspension would have no effect as far as his pitching status. Exactly, a 3 game suspension is about equal to a 5 game for a SP, though it's still a little sqewed towards the position player simply because it just knocks back a SP 1 game.

QUOTE(YASNY @ May 25, 2006 -> 11:19 AM) I agree on all but Pods. He'll get 1-3 games. I really don't think the league will come down on Pods, I actually believe they'll have a moment of clarity and feel that his actions were justied. Barrett on the other hand, I believe will be made an example of.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ May 25, 2006 -> 11:18 AM) I didn't realize the wave stopped during a pitch and resumed in between pitches. Haha, just for the record it takes about 60-90 seconds for the wave to go completely around the lower bowl. Last night it started when Clifford came in and ended when Jenks came in (simply because everyone eventually stood for Jenks)

IMO the suspensions will go down like this: Anderson: 5 games Cora: 3 games AJ: Nothing Contreras: 5 games Pods: Nothing Barrett: 10 games Lee: 3-5 games Mabry: 1 game

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ May 25, 2006 -> 10:46 AM) And yet all this page does is give Mariotti more press...exactly as he wants. Exactly, if you truly dislike Marriotti, ignore him. He'll disappear in due time. I personally havn't read a column of his in 5 years, this is includes the supposed good article he did on Frank Thomas last year. I refuse to give him my attention and if you don't like him, I suggest you do the same.

QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ May 25, 2006 -> 11:06 AM) I paid damn well my attention to the game. I never missed a single pitch. I went to watch a game, but I also went to have a good time. I knew exactly what was going on, why they brought in Nelson to face Thomas, and how Thorton came in after, and then Jenks came in with 2 on and 2 out, and struck the guy out. I damn well paid attention, and I still did the wave. If you think I am the only one that has the ability to do this, you are wrong. Sure, I bet there were some people who didn't pay any attention to the game going on, but thats not even close to a majority of the crowd. Baseball is a slow sport, and people can do things like the wave inbetween pitches and still be fine. Most of the people in the left field stands seemed to be losing interest in the game the later it got. A lot of them had no clue what was going on, just that they had to make sure to stand up at the proper time to keep the wave going. I have never liked the wave and I never will.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 25, 2006 -> 10:21 AM) Most? Really? I have been to about a dozen MLB parks (granted some were multiples for the same teams), and I haven't seen one that does that yet. Well, I've been to about 13 parks and from what I remember most of them would keep you on the concourse, especially some of the newer parks. I remember that PNC, Great American, Skydome, Petco and Yankee Stadium all do it for sure. Though Cinergy and Riverfront never did it, so it's sort of a new ballpark sort of thing I guess.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ May 25, 2006 -> 08:23 AM) I agree with the fan etiquette thoughts in here, however that's turned into a terrible problem at ALL parks, so I don't want to pick on our fans. And great to see Steff and some other people still care about this subject, I went to a game earlier this year and my 4 year old little brother already knows about this subject, somebody was standing in front of us during the game and he said to me "he's not supposed to be standing right now, you should go beat him up". Good times. Well, seeing how most stadiums I have been to keep you on the concourse until a stoppage in play, I'd say you're dead wrong on this one. QUOTE(maggliopipe @ May 25, 2006 -> 09:28 AM) It looked on T.V. like there were only a few people doing the wave. Everyone else was just standing up synchronously trying to see over the person in front of them. Actually, most people were doing the wave, the gleeful squeels that were a dead give away that most everyone was really enjoying the wave. If you would have asked random fans after the game how many pitchers came in to the game for the Sox in the 8th they'd have no idea. Jeff Nelson pitched today?

QUOTE(RME JICO @ May 25, 2006 -> 02:37 AM) They are very similar in the stats you listed, but some others are very different: Buehrle: 19 CGs 754 Ks 294 BBs .261 BAA Zito: 9 CGs 989 Ks 490 BBs .227 BAA Also, Zito had one great year in 2002 (23-5, 2.75 ERA, 1.13 WHIP) that pads his stats a little, but since then he has gone 42-39. Buehrle was 19-12 in 2002, and he has gone 51-34 since 2002. So they are pretty similar but they got there different ways. Mark is much more consistent. Zito may of had that one great year but he also had 1 really bad year in 2004 (11-11, 4.48 ERA, 1.39 WHIP) which evens it out.

Zito Career ERA+ = 129 Buehrle Career ERA+ = 128 Therefore Zito is hella better. Also coincidentally, Buehrle debuted 6 games before Zito in '00.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ May 25, 2006 -> 01:35 AM) It's just the wave... Thanks, I had no idea.

QUOTE(beautox @ May 25, 2006 -> 01:21 AM) i agree you should be there to watch baseball, esp a 1 run game, but we knew coming into this season that the bandwagon would fill up, and with it filling up it has given the sox more capital to put right back into the club you gotta give a little to get a little. This isn't Russia circa 1930, let the bandwagoners be and atempt to just enjoy the game yourself. Personally i would prefer to have a packed house doing the wave and having an electric atmopshere than 12-15k, thats all. A crowd that is doing the wave is not a crowd that is creating an electric atmosphere, it's one that is too busy f***ing around to even notice 3 pitching changes and a run crossing the plate. I'm sorry but I'd rather have my cake and eat it too. I really used to enjoy those 15K crowds and I know I'm not alone on this one. I love me some 38K but those 15K, put your feet up and enjoy the game with people who really cared sure were fun.

QUOTE(SoxAce @ May 25, 2006 -> 01:20 AM) Something tells me I should get a ticket, find out where your sitting, stand up almost, if not, right in front of you, and just start the wave for almost every inning just to see you pissed off. I could probably take you. I bet you couldn't.

QUOTE(beautox @ May 25, 2006 -> 01:16 AM) i suppose we should check people at the gate and make sure they can recite the White Sox's 25 man roster from the year of their birth before letting them in. That way we will know they're real sox fans Or the people at the game could just avoid standing every 60 seconds during a one run game in the 8th. I don't give a s*** if you're a die hard or not, I just don't want people doing the wave. It's not that hard to understand.

QUOTE(beautox @ May 25, 2006 -> 01:11 AM) well aparently by that logic the people whom didn't buy season tickets or tickets in advance to make sure the "asswipes" aren't there must not be true sox fans infact they in themselves are "asswipes" for letting other "asswipes" in the stands to do the wave. listen its a quagmire, but its one i dont mind being in. You displease me with your pro-wave banter.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 25, 2006 -> 12:56 AM) Yup, beaut is right though, when we first made that trade, Mack was supposed to be insurace for Joe's back or at least that's what mostly everyone thought. Then we sent Baj to Arizona for Cintron. After that we learned Mack would primarily be playing the OF this year while Cintron took over the backup infield duties with Ozuna.

QUOTE(beautox @ May 25, 2006 -> 01:06 AM) nah, no one wants my 6'4 ass standing up blocking their view, but i dont mind it. That reminds me, I know this has been mentioned a lot in the past but ballpark etiquette is completely out of control. I was sitting on the aisle today and missed a good portion of the games because of the f***ers who felt it necessary to go up to the concourse in the middle of the inning. Let's see I had to contort my kneck to see Pods' leaping catch in LF and Pods' double scoring Mack. I also completely missed Thome's single and a few other plays do to these jackasses who can't wait a few seconds to get up or go back to their seats.

QUOTE(beautox @ May 25, 2006 -> 01:01 AM) Easy Capt. Elitist, if these people are willing to come out and support the white sox and pay to fill the seats at the ball park im fine with it. If they want to do the wave, im cool with that too, these people are the ones whom when the time comes will be paying for Mark Buehrle's new contract. So i would suggest to just embrace it, we we're all there in April in years past when no one was there, you can't have it both ways. I've been to every homestand this season and i love the feeling at the cell. Um, no. I love the full stadium and all but having a crowd that doesn't give a s*** about a close game in the 8th inning is sickening. I'm sure we could fill the stadium with people who can avoid standing every 60 seconds, there are plenty of people out there who would love to go to a game but can't because it's sold out lets get those people into the park to replace the asswipes who encourage the wave.