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QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 04:39 PM) Even Kotsay should understand a reduced role. He doesn't deserve to play. He can pinch hit. Send down Lilly. Why in the world do we need Lilly up here now that we have Teahen back. Because Brent can play many positions and run very fast, Kotsay on the other hand would serve ZERO purpose (aside from designated towel snapper and cup hat distributor) with Teahen returning to the team. Anything Kotsay can do Teahen can do and in a lot of cases much better. Pinch hitters seriously have so little value in the AL and even then. Hence whey Lenny Harris and Mark Sweeney made their living in the NL.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 04:19 PM) Buying at the deadline is a perfectly fine strategy, especially when there weren't a ton of great fits at the deadline. You guys all talk about Thome, but he isn't exactly a world beater. He'd clearly be a lot better than Kotsay but he still hasn't been that amazing and no one could have even assumed he'd put up the numbers he has thus far this year. I liked some of the bats this off-season, but quite frankly, outside of Vladdy none of the cheaper DH options have lit the world on fire. I would have loved Matsui, he hasn't exactly been stellar either. The reality is we don't have a huge budget and our team was built to have a studly rotation, good defense, and nice bullpen. That can win a whole lot of games and our offense isn't near as bad as it was for the first two months of the season. It has issues, but a lot of teams have issues. Thome has a .401 wOBA (insanely high) in about 40 less PA than Kotsay this season. When comparing the production of each yeah, Thome's a world beater. I didn't see a .400 wOBA from Thome but I had him pegged at about .375 as part of a platoon (I broke this down more than a few times).

Jackson is a Boras client, do not forget this.

QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:39 PM) In this economy, teams are going to be less likely to pick guys off waivers in fear of taking on the rest of the contract. Yeah, the incredibly expensive guys, not the ones with maybe a million dollars left on their deal like LaRoche and Scott. The Orioles aren't just going to dump Scott off on someone if he's claimed, same should go for LaRoche, they have far more value than that.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:35 PM) Its over and done with. Crying about it doesnt change it. It would be nice, yes. Ok, it has been said. let it go Like it or not it's tied to the topic of the day and it's going to be brought up.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:27 PM) LaRoche would have to make it through every NL team. Highly unlikely that would happen. And than after that, he'd have to get past quite a few AL teams before the Sox even had a shot. The only guys we'd have a shot at are guys like Manny and even that might be tough after the Dodgers went all in at the deadline going adding Lilly, Pods, Theriot, and Dotel. Like I said; the only guys that will be out there are at least 1 of the the three: overpaid/underperforming/injured, usually at least 2 of those 3 apply and they're dumped or dealt for high upside low level guys.

QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:25 PM) Alex Rios. An overpaid underachiever that was one of the worst players in baseball for us last year. I fail to see what that proves.

QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:20 PM) Sox are done, they'll grab a bat on the waiver wire, let it go. Just keep telling yourself that.

jgoff670 No Dunn deal. Sox were offering Jackson and Flowers, Nats wanted Jackson and Viciedo. less than a minute ago via web

Adam Dunn is in uniform and on the field.

Rizzo, Wriggleman, KW second hand and every national reporter out there OR Jason Goff yeah

QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:10 PM) You can easily grab a Luke Scott, LaRoche that way. I don't really want Luke Scott (assuming he goes unlcaimed, which he really shouldn't), the asking price is ridiculous, that's not going to change a few weeks later. And sure you can grab LaRoche assuming no one claims him and his tiny salary AND the D-backs ask for next to nothing in return.

QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 03:07 PM) August 30th is the deadline. Why can't people f***ing understand this? August is for overpaid/underperforming/injured players to the dumped or dealt for low level guys. Fun.

It just means we have to trade low level guys. Viciedo, Torres, Flowers, Santos, Beckham and probably Nunez are all off the market unless we're dealing with the Orioles. Yeah, not easy to stay optimistic. Looks like we could just put all our eggs in the Manny basket.

What a tremendously disappointing moment.

QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 02:56 PM) Don't forget waivers till August 30th. Which should make all those who want so badly to keep Dayan around happy because he really can't be traded after today unless it's to the Orioles same goes for Santos, Torres, Flowers and probably Nunez.

I feel a big old sigh coming on.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 02:52 PM) While Id like to improve the offense, KW just doesnt have the bullets this year, unless he wants to give up something that will hurt the Sox in the future (Beckham/Dayan). I am more optimistic than other Sox fans about the current team because I think that Beckham/Dayan can have big second halves and that if the Sox work Teahen, Dayan and Vizquel right that they can overcome some of the worries at DH/3b. There's little doubt in my mind that Dayan is headed for the minors, I'd say it'll be upon Teahen's return at the latest. He's only being used against LHP and plays the same positions as Teahen (who they'll have to find some kind of PT for when he returns without sacrificing Kotsay's ABs), seems like he's played a very specialized role on this club, one that would be eliminated with the return of Teahen.

Jonathan Sanchez was seen hugging teammates in the dugout. Wasn't his name thrown out there as the possible cost for Dunn on the Giants end?

QUOTE (Real @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 02:16 PM) per Cot's contracts: Yeah, a 1 year contract avoiding arbitration, like any other player with 3-5 years of service. Take a look at his service time, I bet it's under 4 isn't it? That means after this year he'll be up over 4, meaning 2 more years of ARB. Have to get to 6 to be a free agent.

QUOTE (Real @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 02:11 PM) Scott will get the O's a decent return..but nothing amazing, he's a rental player like Dunn I think Ozzie would rather have Scott than Dunn to be honest, he can play defense 45 minutes left boys Scott is NOT a rental player. He's still under team control for 2 more years via arbitration.

Luke Scott still worries the s*** out of me. The price is going to be high and he's probably going to have a nice regression here. (which may have started in the Toronto series)

QUOTE (b-Rye @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 02:04 PM) Hell no. The Sox dont need to trade any more prospects. This power hitter could of been signed the last two Winters for no prospects. (Matsui, Vlad, Dunn, Thome, Manny, Abreu, Damon, BYRD) So all we need is a time machine?

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 01:47 PM) I would guess Torres, not that he's awesome, but I think the Sox would go with that, or see if someone passes through waivers. I would guess a combination of both. Torres becomes the 5th starter and you look to upgrade through waivers, there should be some pitchers out there.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 31, 2010 -> 01:36 PM) I could live with it as is. I'd like to get a bat, but I don't want to trade Viciedo for a rental. We've got lefties covered pretty well from a DH standpoint...it's just the DH against righties we've got to worry about...and that is a weakness, but I don't think it's the end of the world. In my opinion, we could definitely win with this roster. Our left handed production in general has basically been the worst in the AL as the Mariners recently passed us in LHB OPS and that's with Vizquel playing out of his mind, Teahen should help some but how much?