jackie hayes

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Apr 19, 2006 -> 04:51 PM) Whitesoxfan, I disagree. The number 1 thing for District Attorney is percentage of convictions. If you want to move up from a states attorney to federal or flip to the defense, the first thing that your future employer will look at is "What percentage of cases did you win." A good prosecutor is up over the 90% range, because they do not bring to trial cases that they feel they are going to lose. On the other hand a good defense attorney is aiming for 50% win rate, as you are always playing behind the 8 ball, even with the burden of proof being so high for the govt. The entire argument of yours is based on him winning the case. If he gets a conviction, then yes this will increase his chances at re-election. But if he loses, you will undoubtedly get a candidate to run against him on the platform that he botched this case. I doubt I will convince you though, seems that you are basing your entire argument on your own opinion. But any DA, or other lawyer who has knowledge on prosecutors will tell you, high profile cases with marginal evidence are a great way to lose an election, not win one. He's not being hired, he's being elected. So the "employer" isn't asking any of these questions. And the primary election is in 2 weeks. Safe to say there'll be no trial before then.

QUOTE(Soxy @ Apr 19, 2006 -> 04:37 PM) They were dating. And the police claimed no jury in the world would convict because they had sex before then. No physical evidence, and the accused claimed he that despite her saying no, he figured it would be okay because they'd done it before. And police/college reporting is often separate. You can go to one without going to the other. So you could get kicke dout of school and never have a criminal record even if the academic institution found you "responsible." So college-student privilege is at the same or higher level as doctor-patient privilege? If so, okay.

QUOTE(Soxy @ Apr 19, 2006 -> 04:35 PM) I was only defending the existence of a rape culture. Because I do, truly, believe it exists. I'm not saying white athletes did it or are more likely. I am nto saying athletes period are more likely to do it. I think it is a "cultural" because it has the implicit support of the administration which should fully investigate each report, but often don't or do so differentially on circumstances. If "circumstances"="evidence", then I don't think that's reasonable. It can only be fully investigated if there's something there to look at. But that's not to deny that there can be bad administrations. Still, there's no reason the administration should be able to block any part of a police investigation.

QUOTE(Soxy @ Apr 19, 2006 -> 04:06 PM) As for "proof" I only have my experience working with my college administration and students (as well as occassionally the police). I saw rapists admit they had done it, and not be kicked out of school--the only ramification was picking dorms and classes after the victim. I had one student get her complaint not heard because she was drunk at the time. So, I have no proof, but after working on it for four years (and visiting and doing training at other schools in the region, I can't say I found any different attitudes elsewhere). If multiple students admitted, 'Yes, I raped her', and did not get prosecuted (forget about kicked out of school) -- I would think you'd have the makings of one hell of a political scandal that at the very least gets the police sup canned.

QUOTE(Soxy @ Apr 19, 2006 -> 04:06 PM) I think there is a culture of believing she must be lying, so she isn't thought to be a slut, to get something, etc. There is a culture of believing the accused to be innocent until proven guilty, but the accuser is a slut from the second she goes to the police. And apologies to CC, my response was more proded and inspired by samclemens. That's not how I take "culture of rape", but okay. I don't deny that there are groups (not small ones) that think that way. The existence of apologists, and their tendency to associate, doesn't make a culture, imo. By that logic, we have in every single place a culture of anything. A culture of white-on-black murder, of black-on-white murder, anything. It's a little ironic to say a culture of rape exists because some people make bad assumptions about other groups, in defending a statement that assumed that the white athletes must certainly be guilty, since (those) people make bad assumptions about other groups. Those people, some people, but certainly not our dear, truthful Alvaro.

QUOTE(Soxy @ Apr 19, 2006 -> 03:39 PM) As a former rape counselor on a college campus, I don't have any problem with applying this term to my old school or my current one. Two things: First, CC was pointing out that "culture of rape" is not sc's coinage (as Rex suggested), that it was an exact quote. That's exactly right. Second, I don't believe you. At least, I don't believe that your definition of "culture" is the same as mine. There is a "culture of pornography" (nudge, nudge, wink, wink). There is a culture of alcohol, binge drinking, even alcoholism, a culture of drug use. Fine. But I would ask you to provide some backup to this claim that rape is generally acceptable on these college campuses. If you're just saying that people are reluctant to turn on their friends, it's pretty ridiculous to call that a "culture." "Culture" implies some common knowledge and acceptance, not just a misplaced personal loyalty.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Apr 19, 2006 -> 01:53 PM) The report that the stripper was drunk wasn't the best-sourced story I've ever seen, and it may very well have been a leak from the defense team or someone defending the lacross players & trying to muddy the waters of the jury pool. Or even if she was, there may well be other evidence we don't yet know about. It is going to be months before this reaches trial and the D.A. has to show all his cards. You may very well be right that there will be almost no evidence against these kids in the end, but until you actually know what is there, how in the world can you blame this on the D.A.? Or does someone here actually work for that D.A.'s office and have access to all the evidence? It was a recording of the police frequency acquired by the AP. How is that a bad source? At least, it sure as hell wasn't a "leak". Her case sounded very strong initially, but now -- the dna evidence that the da himself was talking about turned into dust (yes, more tests are forthcoming, I know that). She's passed out in a parking lot afterward, perhaps (defense photos) f***ed up before, and you have other people questioning her story (security guard, maybe the other dancer). The da is up for reelection in TWO WEEKS, and he has been demagoguing about, saying how this illustrates racist violence. And you don't know why this sounds really fishy? Why are you so eager to defend this guy? This defense -- 'Well, he's got to have SOMETHING good to go to trial' is exactly like saying 'Bush MUST have had good evidence to go to war.' No -- politicians do stupid things for ideology or elections. And this case got weak in BIG hurry. If Nifong had been reserved about this up to now, I might think your view is credible. But he's shot his mouth off every which way. If he's holding anything in reserve, he must have started with a veritable mountain of evidence.

Ah, okay. I keep forgetting about this thread. Thanks. Indians flat-out spanking the O's, 8 to zip in the top of the fifth. With runners on. 2nd and 3rd. At least there are 2 outs. Line out. Phew.

QUOTE(SoxAce @ Apr 18, 2006 -> 08:02 PM) Thought I'd get this thread going.. Cleveland leads 2-0 that the top of the 4th inning. Jason Micheals had a 2 run single. Baltimore has left alot of runners (namely Roberts) on base already. Same game, Belliard just tried to call time out, steps out of the box, realizes he didn't get time just as Chen begins to deliver, strolls back into the box and strokes a single. Basically a walking hit. Pretty cool to watch. Except that the Injuns get a baserunner. Obviously that ain't cool.

Good to hear them play Rooney during these.

QUOTE(fathom @ Apr 16, 2006 -> 04:30 PM) As my brother said "during the Sox games, the rain delay programming is Fresh Prince.....when the Cubs are delayed, it's Will and Grace". Shouldn't the Yankees get FP? Seems like the Sox would be more of a Simpsons/Roseanne/?...

Poor Freddy, poor Iguchi. Throw strikes, catch the ball right in front of you. Everyone's playing in the same stuff, it's a piss-poor excuse.

Goddam.

Go Wheels! YES!!!!

Good attempt by AJ. Hate the shilling.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Apr 13, 2006 -> 10:54 PM) Ugly and smart zippers or buttons buttons SC or BBTN?

QUOTE(qwerty @ Apr 14, 2006 -> 04:24 PM) Exactly, so if they are diving back into first it is just a pick off. Read the comment section here... Bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeak! QUOTE(SHAFTR @ Apr 14, 2006 -> 04:25 PM) That is because he was called out at 2nd. If Chen goes to pick off Podsednik at first, and Pods runs to 2nd and gets tagged out there, it is technically a CS. Same situation, and Pods dives back to 1st, he is picked off, different than a CS. Okay, I'm convinced. Why is it so damn hard to find po stats, then?

QUOTE(qwerty @ Apr 14, 2006 -> 04:11 PM) No it's not. Those are how many times he was caught running to either second or third. I know for a fact he was picked off 10-12 times... you are not telling me he was caught stealing an actual base 11-13 times. I'm pretty sure it is included. Hmm... Wikipedia's definition says it is included. The definition on MLB's website is a little ambiguous: "The total number of opposing base runners caught stealing by the catcher. A runner is charged with a caught stealing if he is put out attempting to advance to the next base without the ball having been hit into play." So it sounds like a pickoff is a cs for the runner's purpose, but not for the catcher's. (Which makes some sense.) Look at Pods' game log from last year. He was picked off twice on May 12, and he has 2 cs on that day. (And he was only on base twice.)

QUOTE(qwerty @ Apr 14, 2006 -> 04:09 PM) Only 23 i see for caught stealing... he was picked off in the 10-12 range from what i recall. # of times cs includes the # of times picked off.

QUOTE(Felix @ Apr 14, 2006 -> 04:05 PM) Not sure where you looked, it was pretty easy to find. He was picked off 23 times. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=4405 That's pick offs plus caught stealing. Pick offs are included in cs almost everywhere, iirc, but obviously it'd be nice if the two outs could be broken apart.

QUOTE(UC76 @ Apr 14, 2006 -> 04:02 PM) Ivan Calderon and Melido Perez. Active.

& Hernandez. Gotta love those 90s teams. Thigpen's still active, right?

I am absolutely livid that there's no Aaron Miles choice.

QUOTE(Queen Prawn @ Apr 14, 2006 -> 08:34 AM) I agree completely Kyyle. It would, IMO, make the community look stupid though (if there is no other evidence and they flip out thinking a case hasn't been persued because of race rather than the fact there is no evidence to prove anything happened). It really is starting to appear as if it was a bulls*** story though. Like Steff, I wonder what is giving the DA so much confidence. In the funny-in-a-sad-way category -- one black Durham resident was interviewed (on tv, I can't link it) about the dna evidence, and he suggested that the evidence may have been tampered or destroyed, because it "seemed so true". You can justify any reaction with a crazy enough theory. Also a Duke grad student was quoted as saying that there is a "culture of rape" or "a rape culture" at Duke. I'm not a student there, but that seems pretty far out. Some people will see what they want to see. I believed the accusations until the dna ev came back, but when the facts change, etc.

Why you bothering, guys? You know Sleepy's opinion is the only one that matters here.