AnthraxFan93

No, Voltaire was the man who originally came up with the idea of Deism, And actually Spinoza was the first to prove that the Bible itself was not the word of God, but in fact written by man.. But, hey don't let the facts get in your way of your attempt to argue this.

.. See even when the truth is right there in front of you, you have been trained to say it is not.. Typical.

I didn't know that BET was around in Voltaire's time.. Who would knew that there was TV in 1700's.. I guess you do learn something new everyday.

Baruch Spinoza (born 1632 Died 1677 )..maybe someone needs to do a little research before spouting out.. AS for the other guys.. Read their works.. While doing so keep in mind your statement.. "Umm I hate to break it to you, but none of those guys was even born when Jesus was alive." You might notice that majority of the ideas the chruch has on how to live your lives was stolen from those men..But, I am sure they never told you that. Another thing there was no such thing as "religion" In Greece during the time of the fathers of modern thought. So when I quote Socrates, please don't disrepect him like that with saying the R word. AS for the 25 % is a rough estimate..it may be 33.56% but for the sake of simplicty, and now seeing how much you actually know on the topic I round it off.. As far as the facts behind it.. For Starters.. Jesus said that the kingdom of heaven is here on earth..to treat each man and women with the same respect... But, we do not women have been treated like s*** through-out history and the chruch is a huge reason for this. I explain this one as well When the bible was written, they (those who voted on which stories should be in their) Noticed the writing of one Aristotle who had written that their is a higharchy of the way society should be run KINGS Clergy (They thought that their was a higher power, they could never explain how things came to be..Charles Darwin, kind of made these people obsolete, when he proved evolution. Disproving the "God created man" theory.) Man Children Slaves Women (I think I am missing a few, but I do know that women were on the bottom of the list.) Becuase of this idea, the chruch latched onto it called it their own, and women were treated like s*** through-out history.. even today women are still treated as second class citizens in modern society. This is just one of the examples..

Bible Origins ..

NO Yansy keeps popping up

Civil War would have never taken place, if there was no religion.. Hitler, Well this is one that yes Religion had nothing to with, there are rare cases.. Mexican-American war, could have been avioded.. The point is the majority of wars. would be non existed if their was a world with religion. How is it easier to know that life in itself has no meaning? Tell me that? Which is easier, to sit back and create a false icon, that give humans purpose or to know that everything they think is real is nothing but lies, and are to blinded by the truth to see it? I sat in your chair I wised up, you will never sit in mine..

I have not read the bible compleety.. Have you? Yes, I am a huge student of history.. As far as who you would rather learn the bible from .. I quote another great man.. I never let schooling get in the way of my education.

I posted a link which got ignored, on the truth of the bible for starters.. Alot of what I have read on the subject are in books, last time I checked I can post links to my library.. I can post names but again this would you to actually read their matterial. Which I take you would not do. For Starters Socrates, Plato,Aristotle, Spinoza, Hell even laerning the true message of Jesus. .Not found in the bible.

Yeah it will, Religion is the main cause of the majority of the wars through-out history.

I care, why wouldn't you? To know that what you are being taught is only about 25% true.. As much as it seems I act like an ass.. Its more of your intial reaction to being told that everything you think is real and true.. Is nothing but a lie, its hard to tell you that in a "nice" way. Its a natural human defense system.. Nothing more.

I said God never existed.. I never said Jesus never walked the earth, I said that Christian and Jewish Dogma got the message and story wrong. They only tell his story to about a 25% facts with using other stories from other cultrues to fill in what they want you to know. I know this is all hard to digest, we have become a society co-depended on Religions and Cults to give us meaning in our lives. They have scared us into beleiving that they do exist.. And this is more or less a grandfather claus. Up until about 150-160 Years ago people like us.. The commoners did not know how to read or write it was only the nobles that were able to do this.. So these nobles in both Church and Governement told commoners that we should act a certain way becuase the book told you to.. And scared these commoners that Hell was this horriable place.Over the years because of this men have gone on wars.. What we are in now is a perfect example of this being done. It's also hard for most to realize becuase of this that Man created God to give their lives meaning, for life without meaning it seems pretty bleak. Men/Women must have meaning in ones life to feel needed (I don't know if that is the right word) So they fake themselves into this notion of God. With it they can at least have a false sense of security. How many people do you think can handle the truth of life? Not many as seen in this thread. As for your comments on giving money and helping the poor.. Again I quote Socrates.." He who knows right will do right".. You do know that the reason this is no equal rights for man and women stems from Religion right? Well sort of.. Again this is another idea they stole from another culture... But, Religion is the one that has made the most with it. I will wait for your repsonse with this.. Eliminating religion will eliminate war.

Thank you for proving half my point.. 1. ITs not Bulls***, You just read the statement wrong.. Your right Polish, French, German etc Immigrants have been integrated into the AMERICAN culture..Do you think they would have if they were given the choice? If they had everything translated into their lanagaue, I don't think they would have the desire to learn English as they had. They more or less where forced into the american way of life. Again this comes down to catering one speical group, which I feel is wrong.. NO one in America ever got this speical treatment as we have given Spanish speaking immigrants..If anything we should give speical treatment to the people who were here first.

Yet you keep coming back.. I will Never understand it..

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Okay.. one does it, okay its a bad mark on him.. 2 do it.. makes you wonder.. When more and more came out.. Then you have to take a look at the system. And makes you wonder how much of this is still going on..And if things are still going on.. And I feel it still is, there was a huge (republican type) cover up.

I can't even begin to comprehend how you came up with that. So your telling me that if you go into a resturant and have a bad server, you blaim it on them and not the place.. And then go back to that Resturtant?

It is important, to understand everything as a whole.. The only difference is numbers.. that is it.. Both are one in the same.. Man we are jumping all over the place on this.. and you are right on the last statement.. Socrates: He/She who knows right will do right... Guess what religion he was?

I have faith they are.. so it must be true then right? Why bring up yet another blackmark on this "cult"? HMM Have no idea.. Question.. What is the difference between a religion and a cult?

Well anyone would not need to have another 4 posts on something that is logical.. anyone with an IQ above a twig, should know that Pedophiles come from all walks of life. Just bringing it to your attention that the people that you call leaders are breaking laws that are set up to help soceity.. But, they feel they are above the law. What happend to those that were found guilty? Shipped out of their chruch.. nothing more.

Please show me where I made that claim? With that statement that you just made, one could conclude that because others do it is okay for priests to do. Nice job.

So no preists are not pedophiles? I am sure more will be coming out in the coming years.

From What? Save me from free thinking, so I can join your cult, drink the brainwashing kool-aid.. No thanks did that, was not happy. Don't like being lied to by those who say they know what is going on. your compairing apples and oranges.. I have faith in Man/women.. They are there I can see, touch, smell, taste, feel them..(enter childish joke here, you know someone will). Now you are comparing that to having faith in a fictional charater that man them selves created.. and having faith in them. My comparisons are better, since both are of the same mold. Again who is stretchen here?

Wow, now who is stretching..