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3 minutes ago, chw42 said:
Hoyer somehow did worse than Rick this deadline.
Not worse. Slightly better. They still can offer the QO at the very least and get a draft pick out of it.
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Just now, chw42 said:
Haha that'll be good.
All we'll need is the Hahn breakdown and to shave his head like Paxson. Once he got two tough questions in a row, he'd shut down and go off. I also don't know why people are blaming KW. He's the antithesis of Hahn. He would've made a ton of moves to help the team. Sox needed some invigoration at the very least to have a chance. A guy like Joc Pederson definitely would've been that.
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Just now, Jack Parkman said:
Expecting them to sell was unrealistic, even if it was the correct course of action. This was the best case realistic scenario.
No. Shutting down guys who you flat out are telling not to run hard to not get further injured, and at least playing young guys in their proper positions. Or getting some defenders on the team. Or bullpen help and not bullpen hurt (like Kelly). How about a left handed at bat?
If we're talking about realistic, it's either sell off or stand pat. I'll take sell off.
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Disagree with anyone says 'Stand pat and wait until the offseason". You don't need to. Grandal is not going to get better (didn't like that deal and was outspoken when it happened). Lynn is going to be 35 IIRC. Usually, old pitchers don't get better while getting older. You're wasting Abreu's career away. Could've dealt him to the Padres.
Can't wait for the "When we get Robert back, we're getting an all star. And Eloy is still coming back to form. And Grandal is about to get hot. And once Giolito gets right, just watch".
Hahn misallocated funds from the beginning, as well as assets. Don't want to deal Colson? I get it, but then deal Yoan Moncada.
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Honestly don't know why the Sox won't go in at least on some Padre action while they're okay dealing some good prospects. Trade Abreu for a couple of prospects like Acosta. Damn this team is stupid. I imagine Rick Hahn in the war room looking like Michael Scott.
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Rick Hahn reminds me of GarPax. "Hey, we gave it an honest try", but in the end, overvaluing his own players, signing second rate stars or acquiring over the hill folks (I didn't like the Lynn deal the day it happened tbh) and you hear more about what they tried, and not about what they actually did.
Jerry has a type. And it's sad to see.
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I think Kelenic can still be great. I think the Mariners think so too, but I would definitely buy low on him if Seattle doesn't think highly of him.
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Soto to the Dodgers for Lux and 4 prospects.
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1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said:
Don’t know, but I’m not fully punting on a season where still have a great shot at making the playoffs. Will need to take some small gambles. Playoff revenue alone is worth taking a measured buying approach at the deadline.
As a fan, I could care less about playoff revenue because it's not going to get the team a better manager, FO, staff, or players. We're going to fall short. Because the White Sox like many sports teams around here half-ass everything. "Let's get some young cheap players and instead of signing or trading for players to take us over the top, we'll get over the top by using hopes and dreams"
Everyone poops on Ricketts, but he actually spent when it was time to. He went out and got Lester and Hayward. Meanwhile, the White Sox sign Machado's high school team to try to shave a significant amount of guaranteed money off of his deal.
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Forget what I said in the other thread. Don't make a damn move at all. Not with this administration. Jesus Christ...
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10 hours ago, caulfield12 said:
Then they had one year they spent a boatload maybe five years ago going way way way over intl bonus pool limit to load up their farm system with prospects.
$1.4 billion Tailgate Park development project like Ricketts around Wrigleyville.
Taylor Rogers a FA too.
He has been disappointing. 7 blown saves with 28 converted. Should be 13-15 games over .500, but have Tatis and at least one big bat coming in the next week or so..
From an asset perspective, this explains a bit of the gap, but the Sox have done pretty great internationally as well. I keep hearing how weak our system is, but we do have Cespedes, Colas, Colson in the farm and a lot of guys who barely came up.
From a monetary perspective, makes no sense how the Padres beat the Sox out financially for Machado other than Jerry being cheap. The Padres essentially did what the White Sox were supposed to do. Spend big while your best guys were cheap.
For Waddle and Silvy (who are not even Sox fans) as well as Jesse Rogers to flat out call them out for just being purely cheap, that's pretty awful. You have a 23 year old superstar out there and you're not even going to attempt to make a trade. It's disgusting. Even if you don't plan on saving this season, he's a guy who can help you for the next 10 years at least as well as move some merch. It's saddening to see, because if you're not going to do it for Soto, you're literally not going to do it for anyone.
As far as what they should do (aside from actually going after a star), blow it up. I think Grandal could get you a mid level prospect back and you clear some cash. Teams are looking at C including the Padres. Graveman should be gone. Liam, IMO, should be gone. Moncada, I think I would get rid of as well. Giolito could probably still fetch you something (though not as great as last year before stickum was removed). And Abreu, just to let him compete for a ring. Poor guy.
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On 7/16/2022 at 12:28 PM, greg775 said:
Wow, cupboard hasn't been bare for a while. I'm sure it adds something nice to the fall on the South side when Rice and Marist are good in football. Hope the team is still good. ... Did Badke get burned out?
He stated it was in the best interest of his family and business. So it sounds like he had to pick 2 of 3, and this one was easiest to give up.
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51 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:
Musgrove's hometown is SD, fwiw.
Also Padres are/were going to have Manaea going into FA with Gore likely out for 2023.
Makes deGrom and Rodon the top two FA pitchers this offseason.
$83+ million deals for Myers, Hosmer, Machado, Tatis, Musgrove now.
Took on Darvish deal with $59 million remaining out of $126 million from original Cubs' FA deal.
Hosmer and Myers should be FA soon, shouldn't they? Waddle and Silvy brought up a good point, how the hell are the Padres spending more to get top guys than the White Sox?
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At this point, I'm rooting for someone who isn't looking for another Crochet or Sale arm. Noah Shultz? Seen him pitch. He's a guy that's 3 years away from being 4 years away.
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11 minutes ago, ptatc said:
You would be really selling low and get almost nothing for Grandal and Moncada.
Players returning from injury and having poor seasons don't have much value.
The thing with Moncada is, I don't see a high for him on the horizon. I don't think he's in some funk or whatever is happening will cause his stock to rise. I actually view him as a Pollock type player where he will show you some flashes of talent before getting hurt each time.
Grandal, my fear always with him, has come to fruition. He's a guy who needs to be platooned at C and his bat used at DH/1B. And he's a guy since he's been with the Dodgers - if the team is hitting, he does great, but he cannot carry an offense whatsoever. With that stated, he's a guy you hope he gets hot, then deal him at the deadline.
I think the Sox would be smart to retool instead of rebuild. Fans would riot. Look at how people have turned on the Cubs. It'll be worse for the Sox as the Cubs at least got a title and a few deep runs out of it. The Sox have been bounced first round, each time.
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I think you sell off all expensive or older pieces and/or take on some risks with guys like Cody Bellinger/Max Muncy who haven't been great so far this year (within reason of course) if you're doing a retool. If you're doing a rebuild, then obviously, keep trying to get hauls. The important thing for the Sox is that they don't wait too long to continue to evaluate their situation. IMO, you utilize the following players in a trade once you throw up the white flag:
- Abreu
- Moncada
- Pollock
- Giolito
- Hendriks
- Graveman
- Grandal
And I definitely would quietly shop Eloy and Robert just to check in to see what you can get.
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Who would've thought that the team peaked with Rick Renteria as manager? Crazy.
I miss him 🙁
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I want one. There were so many Yankee fans in attendance, but unfortunately, many of them sold before I got a chance to ask. I'd be willing to pay cash, zelle or whatever for one.
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If only they had a shot at Manny Machado...
If only they realized they were 2 SP short of being 1 SP short...
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Rams are pretty horrific if they can't figure this out.
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There will be a new DC as well.
Eberflus is underwhelming. Eh.
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Leftwich to Jax
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It's one thing that hasn't been talked about, but is fair. And it seems like the Sox built the team expecting no drop offs. Lynn, I expect to regress as well as Keuchel. I think TA outdoes his projection. Abreu is getting older, however.
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Agree on the WS part. Even if they dealt for Soto, it would've cost too much on the major league roster as well.
With that stated, it's not about "they weren't going to do this". The list is shorter of things they were willing to do. It's about what they should've done. IMO, it's continued evidence that Hahn has a lack of a part 2 to his plan. Yes, he loaded on prospects. Then, he didn't know what to do afterwards. Missing out on Machado and Harper. Using cash assets on the Machado fan club, Joe Kelly, Yasmany Grandal, Lance Lynn. Never finding a replacement or realistic role for Leury Garcia. Playing more than 1 guy out of position, nightly. Lack of left handed pop. Lack of ability to address holes in the offseason. Everyone here knew the holes going into the offseason. Here's how much effort he made: 0.
He's acquired a group of oft-injured, consistently under-performing players. He's wasted the twilight of Jose Abreu.
They should've traded Cueto, Abreu, Moncada, Grandal, Hendriks, Lynn.