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Nevin???

Im about ready to punch myself in the face several times after hearing these "rumors" over and over will little to no action. In fact, if something doesnt happen soon, I may go entirely psycho. How is everyone else?

I didnt know that we went back in time to 1995, and everyone wants Griffey!!

My list: Huff, Schmidt, Vizquel

If you really want to Overpay and go all in. Look no further than Manny.

Trade rumors just part of the job July 29, 2005 BY DOUG PADILLA Staff Reporter Advertisement It's a cruel place to be even if you only are on the fringes of baseball trade rumors. Forget that a trade means you have to say goodbye to the friends you have made, the home you probably purchased and the school your kids are attending. No, there are other problems with having your name linked to a potential deal by your club. Take Joe Crede's situation. The White Sox organization is the only one Crede has known, he is playing with fellow Missouri natives Mark Buehrle and Cliff Politte and he has one of his closest friends in baseball on the team in Aaron Rowand. Crede has been linked to some deals, such as one to the Florida Marlins and another that would have brought Joe Randa from the Cincinnati Reds before he was traded to the San Diego Padres. So when teammate Chris Widger told Crede he had been traded to the Philadelphia Phillies, it sounded plausible. It wasn't until Widger said that the Sox were getting Jim Thome, Billy Wagner and another starter from the Phillies, for Crede alone, did the Sox third baseman know he had been had. Humor might be the only way to diffuse what can be a distracting and emotional time. With the non-waiver trade deadline two days away, there had better be a lot of one-liners, or at least plenty of antacids on hand. ''That trade stuff is out of your control, and it's something you don't need to be worrying about,'' Crede said. ''When stuff is brought up, you do think about it, but it's something you try to keep out of your mind because it's not going to really do you any good, only harm. You think about 'what if,' and it's not even in your control.'' Jermaine Dye follows one simple rule when it comes to the trade deadline. If your name is being thrown around in rumors, you probably have nothing to worry about. If your name is not being mentioned, watch out. Dye was moved just before the trade deadline in 2001, when he went from the Kansas City Royals to the Oakland Athletics. ''I talked to the GM, and he said nobody was going anywhere,'' Dye said. ''I think handling it depends on what kind of person you are. If you are able to separate all the scrutiny and stuff and hearing rumors and just go out and play, it helps. I think it is just determined on the individual player. For me, I didn't hear anything, so I didn't think anything of it.'' For pitchers Damaso Marte and Jose Contreras, who have been mentioned most prominently in Sox trade rumors, it's all about staying focused. ''I have to play the same way,'' said Marte, who was mentioned most often in the now-unlikely trade to bring A.J. Burnett to the Sox. ''I don't really know. I don't worry about it. If they do a trade or no trade, I don't care. I'm pitching wherever they want me to. Where they put me, I'll pitch.'' The Marlins always have desired Marte, so his name was naturally linked to the Burnett deal. So was Contreras' because Florida isn't giving up on the season and would like somebody to take over a vacant rotation spot. But Contreras, whom the Sox acquired at the deadline last season, isn't expected to go anywhere. ''Of course, I feel more comfortable once Sunday's deadline passes,'' Contreras said through interpreter Ozzie Guillen Jr. ''Rumors will always come and go, but it's something you can't think about.'' Although Contreras resides in Florida in the offseason, he doesn't have a desire to pitch in the state. ''I couldn't be more happy being with the Sox,'' Contreras said. ''This year is the team I've been most comfortable on since I left Cuba. It would be great to continue to play here.'' Manager Ozzie Guillen has done what he can to ease the minds of his players, especially Marte and Contreras. ''I already told them they won't be traded,'' Guillen said. ''I think when there are just rumors, I will tell them. Right now there is nothing that is going on, and hopefully, if something has to happen, it will arrive quick and we can move on. But right now, nothing is in sight.'' Guillen is aware that the trade deadline can bring anxiety, but he never actually went through that process during his 16 seasons as a player. ''It wasn't hard on me, not really, because nobody wanted me,'' Guillen said with a laugh. ''It's true. ''It's a hard situation for people when your name is talked about. I think when your name is around and people talk about you all the time about trades, it's not an easy thing to be around. But I think players have to be ready. Players will think about it, but you have to forget that your name is out there and keep playing.'' Another way to look at a potential trade is to realize that somebody wants you and try not to think so much about the fact that your team is sending you away. But even that would be a tough sell on yourself for Sox players this year. ''In a way, I guess it is flattering to be wanted, but the thing about getting traded, especially when our team has the best record in baseball, you know the chances of you getting traded to a good team doesn't seem like it's all that high,'' Crede said. ''You can go from a situation like this to a situation where the team is way out of contention and it's not a situation that you really want to be a part of. You want to be a part of a winning team, and you want to keep having fun throughout the whole year. It's tough to have fun when you're not winning.''

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 11:29 AM) BP is high on Schmidt & Griffey & so am I. With Thomas down we need a solid playoff caliber DH. Everett is a not it. Griffey meets that requirement. Can Griffey play 1B in his wanning years? If so the trade makes great sense because then the WSox would like be the favorites with Griffey at 1B & Thomas at DH in the middle of the lineup. If he can't & DH is all that makes sense then I'm not sure if a healthy Griffey Jr offers more than a healthy Thomas. I really like Schmidt because he has the resume that spells post season success. He's not only talented he's smart. If he doesn't have his best stuff he's more capable of keeping his team in the game than Burnett. Im sold on schmidt, but not Griffey. I dont think we are going to do anything other than add a bullpen arm, and maybe a bat at this point. I dont see the starting rotation changing.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 11:24 AM) I don't think Slownerko and Dye would be enough.. To be honest.. I don't think Boston would let him go for anything at this point. They want at the very least another WS appearance.. trading Manny away hurts the chance of getting there. I dont know what they would want. I was speculating, but its probably going to have to be 2 starters at least. Im sure he is worth it, being that he is the WS MVP and all, but....I dont see them unloading him. They are in a pennant race, and unloading probably your best player, doesnt make much sense to me.

The Red Sox would want a starting OF and maybe another position player for him. I would think it would take Konerko and Dye to get Manny.

Maybe TB will decide not to show home games on TV...wait

QUOTE(SoxFan562004 @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 10:02 AM) LOL, it wouldn't be just Levine, everyone would be spankin' it over the Cubs, except that they still wouldn't have any middle relief, and Soriano does nothing to help them create more runs. At this point it just seems the Cubs make moves with big names to satisfy casual fans (I know that's not the truth, but it seems like that). However, ESPN 1000 just said that Soriano isn't interested in playing the outfield, and it wouldn't be a Hendry deal where he could just give midlevel prospects, it seems the Rangers would want high prospects. Bruuuuuce Levine said that Hendry offered Rich Hill and Corey Patterson. WTF, are you kidding me Bruce. Patterson has NO trade value at all. Come on man.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 10:30 AM) Hoyyyyyyyyyyy-ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Welcome to the post of the month club! :uhoh

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 09:42 AM) We'll see, or he could implode come playoff time. His mental state isn't the most stable of all time. What makes you say that, because of his past? Because everyone seems to say he has turned that around. Even so, its take a messed up mentality to close a game. Looks at Hermy, he is as goofy as it gets.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 09:40 AM) BAJ HAS ZERO TRADE VALUE!!!!!!!! Soxtalk poster or not. Charlotte closer or not. I mean, yes, the guy can probably net something via trade at the prospect level, but when people start throwing his name around as the centerpiece of a MLB level trade I simply laugh. It's just not fathomable. There's a reason the guy still is where he is, and don't tell me because we have a deep depth chart in the BP. Last I looked, we're having some troubles... i.e. Vizcaino Hes going to continue to have no trade value unless he finally gets a shot. Its not like he doesnt deserve it. He has the numbers, but its just not going to happen.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 09:38 AM) I think people are just enamored with Jenks's stuff. The fact is he still has control issues, a BAA of .314 (brutal for a reliever) and a 1.71 WHIP. Right now you take Baez over Jenks, but in a few years no way. That's a decision KW has to decide. Limited time up, I think we will see that improve as he gets more comfortable. Plus, his power stuff and that nasty hook is what would look great in the postseason. The power pitchers can dominate in October.

They arent going to just deal Wagner, I dont see it unless they get AJB for him. And I think FLA is hanging on to him at this point.

If the f***ing cubs pick up Soriano and Nomar comes back, all we are going to hear from gay ass Bruce Levine is that they are now favorites to win the WC and the WS.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 09:34 AM) :enter MVP logic Would you rather have Jeff Badge-in-arrow or Bobby Jenks? What's that? You'd rather have Jenks? Now, what makes you think any professional general manager would be any different? Wow. I would rather have Jenks than Baez anyway

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 09:30 AM) Cotts shouldn't be used as a lefty specialist. He's better against righties and has been our best 7th inning guy all year long. Don't see any need to have Jenks pitching before Cotts in that type of situation but that's just me. Hes good against both, and with THAT pen I dont even think we would need a lefty specialist, but thats me. When looking up his splits though, I did notice he walks righties a ton, I dont recall seeing a trend like that

White Sox | Interest In Wagner One-Sided Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:26:22 -0700 The Chicago Daily Southtown's Joe Cowley is reporting the Chicago White Sox have interest in trading for Philadelphia Phillies CL Billy Wagner but have been told Wagner is not for sale.

Addison, use your quote button better, that is the ugliest post I have seen in awhile. I see you edited it. Jenks wont be dealt for Wagner, the phils want starting pitching.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 09:25 AM) Fantastic. If Kline and Embree don't fit the bill, think Eyre, Villone (who's pretty much considered on the trading block), etc....anyone that can get friggin lefties out is an improvement. I'm serious. Two moves oughta be made. -Trade for Burnett/Wagner -Sign or Trade for a LH reliever. *Pack it up and prepare for post-season play. I think you can add Wagner to the pen, and you are set. Cotts to get lefties out is fine with me, in fact I dont even care who you use. All I know is we have the three headed monster of Jenks, Wagner and Hermy at the back end, and that my friends, is f***ing deadly.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 29, 2005 -> 09:22 AM) There was this guy named Santana that was a Rule 5 draft guy. His original team didnt think enough of him to protect him, the twins swooped in, the rest is history. BTW In no way am I even thinking of comparing Jenks to any stud on any team, but that was more to illustrate that just because you go on the junk heap once doesnt mean you cant be a star. Its hard to find guys who throw this hard. If he throws strikes he can be something special for years to come. I dont know if we put him in the trade bucket, but then again I am biased. LOL Jenks is untouchable. He is one of the rarest finds in baseball, in fact, we havent had a hard thrower like him in a long time. And thats not even his best pitch! BMAC is unproven at the big league level, so is BA, so is sweeney etc etc. Jenks has proven himself to me, and he is one of the rare talents that will turn out for the best. This guy will not be dealt, in fact his rise is the reason we are looking to deal some of our bullpen (shingo, marte)

How can you guys mention Jenks in a trade? We arent giving up one of the hardest to find commodities in the game. He is cheap, young, and just realizing his potential at the big league level. You have got to be kidding me!!

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jul 28, 2005 -> 06:47 PM) Yea, but this? Now how would ya'll feel about that? Basically trading Damaso and BMAC for Wagner and Lowell. Sounds good to me. We improved the bullpen, and traded a prospect for depth. NIce work