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QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 03:33 PM) I honestly thought the delivery charge went to the drivers as well but I never let that change how much I tip regardless. Grubhub very prominently tells you how much each place charges for a delivery fee and its a pretty drastic difference from place to place. There are the places with Sarpinos that deliver until the early am and have 0 delivery charge and then there are some places that will charge $7.99, its pretty crazy. Id imagine a lot of delivery drivers get screwed by people thinking the large delivery costs go directly to them. As far as tipping bartenders I almost look at it as an investment. Me and my friends had a rotation of about 3-5 bars we went to regularly in our early 20s and it was nice going into a place and having the bartender remember you. Id gladly pay a couple extra bucks for a drink knowing that if even if it is crowded I will always get my drink quickly and my mixed drinks will more than likely be overpoured. That second paragraph is spot on. That's how I viewed my regulars.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 03:07 PM) I pretty much tip a similar amount, unless someone goes above / sucks. If they suck I give zero tip. On average, probably tip 20%...only for dine in. I do not tip out takeout / carry-out. Delivery I do tip (obviously). I didn't realize that if someone no paid, the driver got stiffed. That seems downright illegal. As a delivery driver for some restaurants you essentially "buy" the meal from the business and then sell it to the end customer. I am not sure how they get away with it but they do. Credit cards were a little trickier but I know it was similar. Businesses will literally do ANYTHING to avoid taxes and costs, thats why a majority of folks arent even on payroll at bars/restaurants. My wife went 10 years before being on a payroll system.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 02:41 PM) Oh yea, we would let the tickets pile up for 10-15 minutes to try and get as many going the same way as possible if you knew you were going to the east side of town. Just hope that quantity will get you a little bit for going that way I remember like it was yesterday the first customer to scream at me for the pizza being wrong, even though it completely matched my ticket. Great introduction into food service.

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 02:22 PM) I've never quite understood the point of the delivery charge in the first place. All it does is pad the owner's pockets, confuse the consumers and cause the drivers to not get tipped. I very rarely order pizza and when I do, I usually just go pick it up myself. That way I can get it in 15-20 mins rather than waiting 45 mins for delivery. I tip when I pick up certain foods too, especially sushi. Not sure why.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 02:15 PM) I was a delivery driver in college, so I have a soft spot for them. They also get the rough end of the stick since everyone thinks the drivers get the delivery charge LOL! If any of it did, it would be a very small amount maybe $1 or the $3 they charge you. I never understood how people could stiff your driver when you literally got to sit on your fat ass and they come to your door. That's the epitome of a service worthy of tipping. one of the reasons I didnt keep that job very long (eventually went to subway) was because I would get stiffed at least once a shift. And it was usually townies in this local trailer park. Come outside, hey thanks, I've got to run inside to get the money, then nothing. I dont think they knew this poor college kid was footing the bill.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 12:23 PM) I think they said prices will go up 12-14%. If you usually tip more than that, your overall price will go down. I dont agree with that. In many cases they will be doubling or tripling the salary of the workers. Thats a lot of overhead.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 12:10 PM) Hm, maybe we've just been lucky, but that hasn't been an issue. It might be because the ones we have are textured metal screens, I don't know. But even this time of year, there's very little brush on them at all. Mine are the screen-type over the gutters. Leaves and debris occasionally cake on them a bit and I blow it off with a leaf blower. Its not nearly as bad as it would be without the screens but it will cause some blockage.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 11:52 AM) I never saw that fee. That went directly to the owner I delivered Pizzas in college briefly, this is how it worked for us: When the order was completed there was a cost associated. The driver then PAID the business for the order and collected from the customer the money back plus gratuity. If you were stiffed, no tip etc, it didnt matter. I was stiffed plenty of times and I ended up paying for that meal. This is pretty common across food delivery. I also made less than min wage there, I want to say 4-5 bucks an hour

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 10:11 AM) We got gutter screens/guards put on about 4 years ago. Haven't had to be on the roof or in the gutters since. Wasn't even very expensive. And they've worked consistently all along, with no maintenance (so far). I recommend it. They will still get caked in wet leaves. Just clean before winter and you'll be good.

Booooo. Kids don't count in that number.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 09:55 AM) I think the only reason I tip is because I know they are getting crap wages. Plus as people have stated earlier, if the tip system is eliminated, the price of the product will naturally have to go to compensate for the wage increase. I think the "mandatory" tip system should be scrapped but there should still be the ability to do so if you want to reward your bartender/waiter/delivery driver. Agreed. I also overtip because of my background but also because I test servers/bartenders quite a bit. I like to have servers pick out my meal, I feel thats a core skill. Also bartenders should be more than just beer openers that then go stare at their phone after they've served you. You should rarely have to call a server over to you for anything. Those people deserve that little extra IMO.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 09:43 AM) Servers aren't universally in favor of a tipless model for exactly that sort of reason, plus pretty big skepticism that the employers will pass on the new 20% service fee to the staff entirely and not take their own cut. I'd dare anyone to stand on their feet for 10 plus hours dealing with drunk 20 year olds at least once. It's awful. New Years eve is literally a nightmare. Bartending or working in a bar is not nearly the party people think it is.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 09:35 AM) Oh, and tipping a bartender for beers? For literally taking the top off? Wtf? Why is that acceptable? I can understand it if you spent 2-3 minutes and made me a drink (even though i'm paying 10-15 bucks for it, why isn't that included?). But so many times I felt compelled to drop an extra dollar on an 8 dollar beer. The older I get, the less likely I am to do that crap. If you walk in, buy a miller light or two and leave and dont tip its not a huge deal. obviously a buck or two would be nice, but you arent the target market. Someone who sits there, asks for drink opinions, tasters, orders food etc, those are the people you make money from. Regulars and people who are interactive are the ideal target market. I ALWAYS remembered peoples names who were frequent customers. My favorite shift (nobody else liked it) was saturday and sunday afternoons. I would always remember people's names, their rooting interests and made sure their experience was streamlined and pleasant. For some that was replacing drinks quickly without asking, some it was making conversations, some was just making sure I kept the area in front of them clean and free of plates, empties etc. If people enjoy their experience and feel comfortable coming in every week and spending a few hours with you they will tip and tip well. Thats your target market.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 09:37 AM) I'm all for paying a living wage to people in the service industry - then they don't have to rely on me as a consumer to subsidize their wages. The tipping model as a whole is annoying - plenty of consumers take advantage, and there are more unwritten rules than baseball (there are people who don't tip on liquor, do you tip on carry-out, etc.). In an ideal world, everyone in the service industry would be paid a living wage, and they wouldn't rely on the consumer tipping on the service. Until that day comes, I'll continue to tip and tip well... Right, thats the other model, your listed prices will be 15-20% higher than what it says today and consumers will pay your tips without knowing and your wages will be more consistent. However those big blow out nights where you are literally working like a dog for 12 hours until 4am on your feet dealing with drunk assholes and you actually make a ton of money will be a thing of the past.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 09:31 AM) California doesn't have a separate tipped minimum wage, not sure if other states are like that. In many other countries, restaurants are required to pay their employees' wages instead of relying on the customers to do it directly. My time as a server in IL/OH the minimum wage would be lets use 8 bucks. Your wage rate would be 3 dollars and the rest would be made up by tips. On the employers records and your W2 without claiming tips you were effectively make a fraction of minimum wage. On really slow night or with s***ty customers (quarter beer night or the sort) I would work 8-10 hours and make less than 50 bucks. One thing to remember in the restaurant industry as well, you have to tip out people that arent exactly customer facing like the bar backs and bus boys as well. So your "tip jar" actually gets divided up quite a bit

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 09:25 AM) All the more reason to get rid of tipping playing any role in their compensation. I remember American Life did a podcast on whether attitude/attentiveness changed the amount of the tip. They deliberately had the waiter be super flirty, nice, attentive, etc. and then they had them act the opposite. Not rude, but basically take the order, bring the food. That's it. And while it was only a few servers in one day at one restaurant, they found that how nice/attentive they were didn't mean anything. People are going to tip you how they're going to tip you. If you're a person that tips 15%, you could have the nicest experience ever and the server is still getting 15%. I hate all of it. Giving a pizza delivery guy a few bucks? Why? I paid a delivery fee. Why am I paying a waiter/waitress $40 bucks at a nice place for the same work that I pay someone $10 at a regular place? That sort of crap drives me nuts. Because their employer is probably a s*** head that factors in a percentage of their pay to tips and they rely on that additional piece. I take it you've never actually worked in the service industry.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 09:06 AM) the U center is right in the middle of Chi-raq. People go in and never return. Those that return, are never the same I've never seen the United Center abbreviated like that either so maybe its a new place ive never heard of. And Greg-insider tip. Take a shuttle from one of the bars on madison. Its easier and they will take you back as well. Its also free.

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 08:38 AM) As far as tips go, I don't mind them. I just wish they would get rid of the automatic gratuity BS. I've been burned on that twice at two separate places and haven't been back to either one since then. Usually thats for large groups, if its automatic somewhere else for individuals, thats their attempt at a "no tipping" model. My Country Club went to that because there were just too many seniors that never gave a cent to the hardworking people, so they switch to automatic tips. Seems to work.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 08:22 AM) My wife was working as a waitress when we first start dating. The stories she used to tell me about how awful people were. I would last about a day doing that job. Everyone should be required to work in the service industry at some point. Thats why I am a perpetual over tipper for good service. People feel like you are their slaves and mistreat and speak down to you almost any chance they get. More than 50% of patrons under tip or barely tip at all. Your employer builds in tips to your wages so they can save money. As a bartender I took pride in my craft and work ethic and pay usually reflected that. if you really want to go to "no tips" add 20% to your bill and in some cases even 25%. Your cost as a consumer would stay the same or increase.

QUOTE (buhbuhburrrrlz @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 05:12 AM) this wind is ridiculous Blew down an entire section of fence in my backyard. Gonna be a fun day

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 11, 2015 -> 12:10 PM) Oh great news! Good luck! Such a stressful process but few things feel better than walking into a house you just purchased.

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 11, 2015 -> 04:35 PM) No problems where they're at, as they haven't beat anyone good. Same reason I'm fine with Baylor where they're at now, but will think it's insane if they go undefeated and aren't a top 4 team. Florida has some good wins, which should negate some "bad" wins as well. To answer your question, I don't know why anyone schedules a tough OOC game that's in a power 5 conference. If you run the table, you're going to make it. The current format isn't designed for a team from the AAC, etc. to make it, and I'm fine with that. Their win @ Lou and demolishing Vandy werent bad. They still get to play Memphis and Navy as well. If they run the table thats a really nice upset alert in a good bowl for a power 5 team.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 11, 2015 -> 03:26 PM) This summer I bought a two year old, rarely used, 24 inch, 2 stage electric start Craftsman snow blower, that retails for $750, for a whopping $200 bucks. I'm ready and excited to get a ton of snow so I can use it. BRING IT ON WINTER! Real good deal there, those things are monsters. We arent going to get much snow this winter though

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Nov 11, 2015 -> 11:24 AM) Yet you are fine telling people that they don't watch or know hockey.... Stop posting in this thread newb

QUOTE (knightni @ Nov 11, 2015 -> 10:51 AM) Ok State won't make it either then, because the Big 12 doesn't have a title game anymore. But they would be undefeated.