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So almost everyone now I saw has Okafor to Duke. Anyone have any last min info on this? The OSU bball board is so incredibly light on any of these recruits.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 11:30 AM) Personally, I'm most upset with Snider's dad. His dad should've handled all of this with more class. IMO, the parents shouldnt make any statements, especially ones like "we are solid." Thats what makes them look like assholes.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 11:29 AM) If 90% of coaches/programs out there follow that rule, and a small minority don't, it's clear the small minority are being dirty/shady. They have no class anymore. I mean, it's Pitino, so that fits, but still. Its been that way in football for a long time and it only makes sense that in the last several years its trickled over into bball. As soon as one and done's that can win your titles started becoming hot commodities, this is how its been done. Until a kid signs on the dotted line, you keep that relationship in case something happens.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 11:27 AM) FYI, Snider's coach said that Illinois didn't do anything wrong in this recruitment, implying that they kept in good contact and had a good relationship still with Snider, but LOU was his dream school still. Right, I dont think either school did anything wrong here whatsoever.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 11:21 AM) It's been on record from Snider and his folks that Louisville completely ignored him at the time he decided to decommit and didn't try to stop him. Reports are basically that within the last week Louisville made contact again for the first time. This isn't the situation where the recruit is wavering and another program who has kept ties with him to stay on the radar eventually gets a second look. It's a good thing they had his coach to show him game tape of Illinois basketball. Relationships with coaches for that kid and future kids is pretty important as well in recruiting.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 11:18 AM) We've heard enough b****ing from coaches about this over the years that it's clear there used to be an unwritten rule in basketball recruiting that once a kid gives a school a verbal commitment everyone else should lay off. And i'm sure the major reason for that is that you've "won" and you can then recruit in other areas without having to worry about a decommit. Your attention can be focused elsewhere. You don't have to travel to attend every home game of a committed recruit. If HE initiates more recruiting and if HE opens his recruitment back up, that's fine. But if he doesn't, it's bush league to keep recruiting a kid hard, especially the day or days before he's about to sign his LOI. Think about it in terms of dating. You're dating a girl and you know she's also dating around. At some point she tells you she wants to be exclusive. There's no ring on her finger. You aren't technically married. Yet you have this other guy that keeps texting her and trying to steal her away. There's no unwritten rule that that guy is being a dick and should lay off? You just accept that until she's signed the license she's available to anyone and you can't say anything about it? Come on. Bolded the most important part of your post. Its not like that anymore. With nationally televised decisions and multiple recruit ranking websites the game has changed. Until someone signs their LOI its free game. And recruits particularly HATE when coaches completely back off once they've committed. "Now since I said I was coming there you dont care about me or come to any of my games? Coach X says I will always be important to him, now im thinking about flipping."

QUOTE (SleepyWhiteSox @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 11:17 AM) C'mon now, rock! illinois is squeaky clean and ONLY does things in the most proper, respectful manner!!! I dont consider keeping in touch with a kid who has verbally committed dirty anyway. What if Calapari went to the NBA? I would hope my assistant coaches already have relationships with his recruits. Recruits dont pick schools, they pick coaching staffs and the coaches they are closest and most comfortable with. That trust takes time and hundreds of texts, calls etc. Thats what recruiting is, its not one head coach calling a kid and offering and he magically says yes to you and sticks by during his entire recruitment. Coaches who try and recruit that way will find themselves out of a job very quickly.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 11:12 AM) Not really, Illinois wasn't on his radar until his coach told his dad to check out some film of theirs. They barely listed Illinois as a school that reached out when re reopened, they were pretty much focused on Indiana at first. So ILL was in contact with his coach? Where did he get the film? I understand the upset, but to think committed kids arent on team's radars is ridiculous. Recruiting is crazy and fluid, and coaches continue to text and speak with kids no matter when or where they've verballed. You never know when a teenage kid will change his mind, a coach will leave or anything of the sort. So you want to make sure you still have that connection. Clearly LOU kept in touch.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 11:00 AM) Not from Illinois. So no, he wasn't poached. Fair enough, but he was still being recruited like every other kid while committed. If there is a top kid somewhere, coaches are calling him. I'm betting ILL didnt come out of the blue, I bet they'd had contact in the background since his soph year when he first committed.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 10:56 AM) Snider wasn't being recruited by any other schools until he decommitted. So you are telling me no other schools had made a single call to him at all during that time? He had 8 offers. Did those all come before his soph year and after he said he was opening up?

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 10:54 AM) A week before signing day? Yes. Absolutely. Especially if they had already gotten a commitment from the kid but forced him to decommit by signing other players at that position. I dont get that. If you lost Snider today and then offered a plan B that is only committed to lets say Western Michigan, I dont see that as dirty at all. Especially since this is the EARLY signing period. Kids have MONTHS to decide where they are going.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 10:51 AM) Pitino in the past has b****ed about poaching kids and how he would never do it BULLs***! Technically Snider was poached then came back....

When Cliff Commits it will heal all wounds.

I never fault a kid for staying home, especially when his flip in the first place was shocking.

QUOTE (Jake @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 10:23 AM) I think you can really take advantage of a young kid that is making a very important decision whose to say who did that though? Forcing commitments early or while on visits is just as forceful as last minute flips. Until signing day its all so fluid.

QUOTE (Boogua @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 10:21 AM) Exactly. When he decommited from Louisville originally he still had an offer. It was his choice. He just didn't want to be behind Lyle it seemed. He should have reopened his recruitment immediately when Lyle left. Right, the family clearly was sketchy here. I dont see anything wrong with what LOU did.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 10:13 AM) It's dirty IMO. The kids committed, you shift your focuses elsewhere and that should be understood. Wonder if Groce takes a gamble on Lyle or Brunson now. Kind of late in the game for both though. I guess they're ok at PG with Tate and Crosby, but Snider would have been nice for 2015 and 2016. So if a kid commits to SIU, blows up his senior year and ILL offers him its dirty? I understand it hurts to lose a good player but its clearly not dirty. The defending champs called, offered, and he accepted.

QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 10:05 AM) Than don't verbal and stay undecided until you sign. Yes, the kid is clearly in the wrong here, my point exactly. Calling it "dirty" alludes to something wrong with what Louisville did. Of course coaches and schools will tell a player to kick rocks if they sign a higher ranked kid so whats the difference if the kid flips?

QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 09:54 AM) So dirty, but no rules broken. I'd be more pissed at Louisville than the kid. I just dont see how its dirty unless they paid the kid. He clearly wanted to go there, they offered him, he flipped. The kid didnt have to pick up the phone and he could have stayed with ILL.

Seth Davis floating the idea that Kansas gets shut out

A lot of youth given up for a guy with a bum knee.

QUOTE (dasox24 @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 12:54 AM) I used to feel the same way, but now I have no problem with it. In fact, I wish Cuonzo would do it at Tennessee. But since he's a Big 10 guy, he has a rule that once a player commits, he won't recruit him anymore. And he has adhered to that with no exceptions in his 3 years. And I'm saying this having been burned badly a few years ago by Aaron Craft and Josh Selby, who were both Tennessee commits. If other coaches hadn't poached them, and Craft didn't turn in Pearl to the NCAA, who knows where UT would be right now. We were ranked #1 at one point back in 2008, made the Elite 8 in 2010 (should have been Final 4 if not for a ticky tack foul call with 1 sec left in the game), and were really rising as a program. Then Pearl gets fired and we've missed the tourney for 2 straight years. I think what you mean is what could have been if Pearl wasn't breaking NCAA rules. And there is no unwritten rule in the Big Ten. Bball may be a little nice than football but when a recruit is the difference between keeping and losing your job do you really care about the feelings of Tom Izzo? Pitino has been really aggressive trying to Poach this week. He was all over Russell on signing day.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 04:28 PM) I'm still upset about the lack up chromecast updates. Right now it's basically a google centered device with Netflix and Hulu. Where's my HBOGo? Where's my chrome browser casting ability for phones/tablets? To me it seems like "netflix on the go" and nothing else. Which is pretty cool.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 01:31 PM) But they are definitely noting it's the largest decline seen in the sport's recorded history. That doesn't bode well for the future viability of the sport. For one I dont understand why it would do anything to football in general. Pop Warner starts kids out WAY too early. You are just as good starting in Jr High or High School.

QUOTE (SleepyWhiteSox @ Nov 14, 2013 -> 03:23 PM) Lovin' my Nexus 5. Soo smooth and nice and clear. Got a battery pack charger for heavy use days. Also have a Nokia wireless charger that I use for both the Nexus 5 and Nexus 7 Should I be a google fanboy and get a chromecast too? I think it's still $30 for those that signed up for the Best Buy student program. Worth it? I dunno, though. I know it won't be as good as my Roku... Its not as good but its awesome for what it is. I bring it everywhere on business trips.