TheBigHurt35

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Mar 1, 2005 -> 06:29 PM) Personally, I'd rather get Holcolm. He was great when Cleveland was winning 2 years ago when Couch went down. Didn't they make the playoffs that year? Yeah, and he was a stud in that playoff game (429 yds, 3 TDs).

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Mar 1, 2005 -> 01:53 PM) You say they have no talent, well Biggie and Jay-Z dont even write lyrics, they do the song allegedly in 1 take. Ie, they hear the song, get the ideas into their head, and then go out and perform it. I've heard that about Jay-Z as well. That's pretty incredible. And then there's Eminem, who does nothing but write lyrics. LOL! Yes, we do have a lot of "armchair rappers" here today.

QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Mar 1, 2005 -> 01:42 PM) 50 is just another version of Vanilla Ice -- better packaged but still just another dancing monkey clapping the little cymbals for the organ grinder. No, 50 is a much better rapper than Vanilla Ice. BTW, the "marketing" excuse that you're using only covers the gangsta rap genre. You fail to mention how rappers like MC 900 Foot Jesus and The Disposable Heroes of Hiphopracy got record deals and made it onto MTV. No talk of gangs, drugs, or b****es from those guys. They did their own thing and achieved commercial success. I doubt that someone like you (or I) could do the same without years of practice.

QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Mar 1, 2005 -> 01:21 PM) Excuse me if I like grown adults not writing songs that sound lyrically like they came out of a freshman in high school. Nothing wrong with your choice, but your dislike of gangsta rap doesn't make people like 50 Cent "talentless." I'd guess that, like most other people on this site (including myself), you would fail miserably if you even tried to put together a rap song. Hell, I'll even admit that Britney Spears has more musical talent than I do. At the very least, she can sing a hell of a lot better than I can.

QUOTE(3E8 @ Mar 1, 2005 -> 12:46 PM) That was exactly my point. The part of my quote which you chose to leave out. And you forgot the part about you not being able to sell records from studio work alone (where you don't have to sell your image).

Glad to see they're going after a legitimate veteran backup, but I'd rather have Holcomb than Fiedler. Jay's just never healthy anymore.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Mar 1, 2005 -> 12:41 PM) Eh. I take your point and I'll bow out of this thread. But it pisses me off when people defend these guys like they are something. They could do a hell of a lot more then they do to HELP instead of shooting people all over the place. It sucks that they live the way they do, but part of me says they ask for it. I agree.

QUOTE(3E8 @ Mar 1, 2005 -> 12:36 PM) Half the posters on this site could write better lyrics than 50 cent, including myself. And I'll bet that you couldn't get up on stage and perform them without looking like a complete ass. I'll bet that most people on this board couldn't record a rap song in a studio and sell a substantial amount of records.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Mar 1, 2005 -> 12:35 PM) They are a bunch of whiny ass no-talent assholes who pray on a bunch of inner-city kids to make their money. They talk about s*** that has no business being sold as "art". They have "talent", so use it on something else besides rhymes about their beyotches and their guns and sheyat. So, do they have talent or not? Which is it? Agreed that they market violence to inner-city youths and that isn't a good thing. But to say that someone like 50 Cent or Eminem isn't talented is just plain wrong.

QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Mar 1, 2005 -> 11:45 AM) 50 Cent is an idiot who is only alive because somebody else was an incompetent idiot & missed the mark when he tried shooting him. Getting shot a bunch of times is not "cred", it's being a f***ing idiot to put yourself into a position where you would get shot. He's not a lyrical genius. I'm sure an 8 year old with Downs could write the lyrics for an entire 50 Cent album. Not that I disagree about the idiot part, but my guess is that he does a much better job of writing/delivering rap lyrics than you could. And comparing him to an 8-year-old Downs victim is nothing short of tough talk from some skinny college kid who can't get laid.

QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Mar 1, 2005 -> 09:40 AM) 60/40 sounds about right to me. That ratio might be in the rookie's favor before long, as Jones has yet to really establish himself after what, 4 years? He has shown flashes, of course. I'd like a Stephen Davis/Deshaun Foster type combination. That would be beautiful. If one guy gets tired, the othe can come in and do just as well, if not better. The 60/40 running-back-by-committee ratio that you're referring to is more like what Tice does in Minnesota than that John Fox does in Carolina. In '03, Davis had the vast majority of the carries (318) and Foster was used as more of a thrid-down back (mostly because of his receiving skills). Foster did see more carries in the playoffs, but that was due to the fact that Davis was playing on a strained quad. I still don't think that the Bears should take a RB at #4. Angelo shelled out a substantial amount of money to Jones last year and, despite playing in a horribly unbalanced offense, his overall numbers were still pretty good (240/948 yds rushing (4.0 avg.), 7 rushing TDs, 56/427 yds receiving). Jones also had a number of very good games early on in the season when Grossman was healthy. Jones is also a relatively good receiving back, so there's no need for a third-down specialist in this case. The Bears SHOULD draft a backup RB, just not one that's going to cost them an arm and a leg.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Feb 28, 2005 -> 08:26 PM) That's pretty much right on the money. It won't be a WR at #4 anymore for a few of the reasons you mentioned. -Musin is hands down one of the best WR in the NFC. Before last season, he was more of a possession reciever; but, he has shown he is capable of being the deep threat, possession, and TD reciever. Edwards and Williams, although a nice compliment to Musin on the other side, are no longer necissites with the #4 selection. Muhammad will also turn 32 this year and has been plagued with hamstring injuries over the course of his career (only three seasons with 16 games played or > 70 receptions). In other words, he isn't exactly Mr. Dependable. I'm not saying that the Bears NEED to take a WR at #4, but they should consider getting a better #2 option somehow (either in a later round or via free agency). Agreed. He should be given another chance to play a full season. The Bears certainly do need another backup RB, but taking one at #4 is a waste of money, IMO. Anyone taken at #4 is going to command a substantial signing bonus. Why shell out that cash to someone who's going to ride the pine behind Jones (who the Bears also paid a significant amount of cash to last year)? They can take a RB later in the draft. Agreed that LB might be Then, we should say "yes" to Jeff Garcia, Joey Harrington, or another veteran QB who may be on the market soon. Hutchinson isn't going to get the job done if Grossman goes down again and the Bears aren't going to win crap until they sign a halfway decent QB.

QUOTE(LowerCaseRepublican @ Mar 1, 2005 -> 08:39 AM) Hopefully they'll do us all a favor and kill each other since they are a bunch of idiot hacks. Well, the "hack" label is in the eye of the beholder, as 50 Cent is pretty damn talented. But I agree that this behavior is completely idiotic.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Feb 28, 2005 -> 05:11 PM) Surely you're joking. Please, please tell me you're kidding. Certainly you're familiar with former Bears offensive coordinator Terry Shea; the same Terry Shea that coached at Rutgers from 1996-2000. Oh, you're not. Well, let me inform you then. Terry Shea had the single, largest, and most complex playbook in the NFL last year. "highly complex offense ... will be difficult for Rex." -Shea But, um, you knew that. You knew what kind of offense he ran for 5 seasons at Rutgers. You knew that his system requires an entire off-season of preparation for complete comprehension and execution. You could say that about any WCO. Most take QBs about two years to learn. But you already know that, since you played QB for 10 years, right? What's so special about Shea's, other than the fact that it took college kids a while to learn it? Do you think that college or rookie NFL QBs can learn Mike Martz's, Andy Reid's, or Mike Shanahan's offenses in just one season? Oh, and Shea's gone now because he couldn't get along with his coaching staff. Great move, Jerry Angelo. :rolly You're such a tool, it's not even funny. "I believe it because Angelo and Shea said so!"

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Feb 28, 2005 -> 04:33 PM) 4) Hutchinson isn't "NFL material." Well, how can I aruge with that. If TheBigHurt35 on a White Sox message board says he can't cut it in the NFL, than he can't cut it. :headshake The Bears organization has said time and time again that they were very impressed with Hutchinson, given the limited time he was offered to learn one of the most complex playbooks in the NFL. But, you already knew that. Sorry, I think I'm going to have to go with the Bears organization on this one and say the guy can play football. Goof. Yeah, you go ahead and believe what Angelo and the other liars and weasels in the Bears organization tell you, tool. They really know what they're doing, as evidenced by their signing of Jonathan Quinn. And saying that the Bears have "one of the most complex playbooks in the NFL" is laughable. Where did you get that crap from? Angelo? I'll bet he's never looked at Mike Martz's, Dick Vermeil's, Tom Moore's, or Andy Reid's playbooks. (1) George can't read defenses and throws too many interceptions. That's why he hasn't played since 2001. Not to mention the fact that he's a locker room cancer. (2) Warner was 6-4 with the Giants last season. He's also won a SB and multiple MVP awards. What the hell have Hutchinson, George, and Krenzel ever done? (3) That's nice, but Hutchinson can't play QB.

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Feb 28, 2005 -> 04:30 PM) Ill be done with post grad next year. The money goes to the NFL and NCAA. By keeping younger players out of the NFL, there is less risk in every single draft. Look at the NBA, the team has to weigh how an 18 year old compares to a 21 year old, they have to spend money and time researching these players, and there is a much greater risk associated with giving millions to a player with no College experience. The NFL in essence has a farm system, in which they are able to cultivate talent in the NCAA, and then draft it when that talent is ready. Players like Adrian Peterson and M. Williams who would of been first round picks after their first years playing, are stuck in the NCAA where they take on 100% of the risk of playing. If they are injured while in NCAA, they are compensated $0. If they were able to be drafted, they would get a signing bonus which is guaranteed. Well, I see your point now. Then again, the NCAA's not helping their cause when it imposes minimum requirements on college test scores. That forces many talented players to turn to juinior colleges, which takes away a significant amount of money from the NCAA and screws up the NFL's "scouting system" because they're not playing against the same level of talent that they would at a major university. Getting back to my original point, the NFL certainly is a more violent place than the NCAA. NFL players are, on average, much larger, faster, and stronger than than college players. Players get injured in college, but not nearly as much as in the pros.

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Feb 28, 2005 -> 04:04 PM) If you would like to compare accolades, Ill give you a go. Im only 23 though, so if you lose to me it would be kind of embarrasing. If you're not in graduate or professional school right now, you've already lost. What does date of high school graduation have to do with money? And who's the money going to? The NFL? The NCAA? I don't see it. You forgot about Grossman's torn tendon. That's two major injuries. My pont is this: The Bears are banking on Grossman being their franchise QB. Grossman certainly has the skills, but has had TWO major injuries in only six NFL starts. Is it possible that Grossman will still have a long, productive NFL career? Sure. But I'm not betting on it. Not after what I've seen. I think the Bears would be wise to acquire a veteran who is actually NFL-starter material (Hutchinson isn't) in the event that Grossman doesn't pan out in the long term. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree about this point.

QUOTE(soxman352000 @ Feb 28, 2005 -> 03:58 PM) Score said it was only saving 200000 That's more than he's worth anyway.

QUOTE(mreye @ Feb 28, 2005 -> 02:01 PM) I've never had a problem with it. Now, my Uncle, who has Direct TV, loses his sgnal all the time. I guess it just depends on where you are. Perhaps. Then again, I don't even see the point of having Dish Network when you can't get the NFL, MLB, and NHL sports packages. In that case, you might as well just have cable (where the signal is much more reliable).

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Feb 28, 2005 -> 03:23 PM) Bighurt, Players are bigger, faster, stronger, has no correlation to the amount of injuries. That's just a lie. The NFL will even tell you so, as that's the reason that they use to keep younger players like Clarett out of the league. It's for their own safety. . (1) He must've been hit pretty hard if he tore a tendon in his hand to brace himself while falling. I've done that a number of times, yet have never been injured like that. (2) Funny how nobody else on that same Astro Turf tore their ACLs. Your points also suggest that Grossman is just plain soft. TWO major injuries in only SIX games. Not very Favre-esque, if you ask me. How many RBs look like studs in college and then are constantly injured in the pros? I can name a few off the top of my head: Lawrence Phillips, Ki-Jana Carter, Curis Enis, etc. Why do you suppose that is? Second, It doesn't take an M.D. to know that a torn tendon is a serious injury that will sideline a QB for many weeks. I actually am a "doctor," but not an M.D. I have no agenda. I'm simply looking at a player who suffered TWO major injuries in only SIX pro starts and wondering if he has the long-term durability to make it in the pros. You're not qualified to question my education. I've achieved more academically than you probably ever will. Talk to me again after you get your Ph.D.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Feb 28, 2005 -> 03:20 PM) Mewelde Moore was a 4th round pick, and he was very solid in his limited playing time last year. Anybody would be successful running behind MIN's line with Culpepper and Moss keeping the DBs honest. Agreed that some gems are found in the later rounds (wasn't Terrell Davis a sixth-round pick), but that's true for every position (Tom Brady, anyone?). However, you can't count on finding a diamond in the rough. That said, the Bears definitely should use their third-, fourth-, or fifth-round pick on a RB, if for nothing else than to replace Forsey. But they have more pressing needs at QB and #2 WR.

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Feb 28, 2005 -> 02:44 PM) And generally injury prone is College and Football, in College you take just as many bad hits. Grossman's injuries have not been the same, so there is no correlation. Wrong, wrong, and wrong. On average, NFL players are much larger, stronger, and faster than college players. Guys like Ray Lewis, Derrick Brooks, Julius Peppers, and Rodney Harrison are few and far between in college football (and they get much larger and stronger after a few years in the pros). Pro football, however, takes only the best of the best from college. Therefore, because players are inherently much stronger and faster, it's an inherently more violent game. Anyone who says that "you take just as many bad hits" in college as in the NFL is grossly misinformed. QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Feb 28, 2005 -> 02:44 PM) Alot of these arguments have logical fallacies. "Grossman did not throw a ball for 10 weeks" Where exactly was he going to be throwing the ball during the playoffs? Last I checked the Bears were in the off-season during that time, so there was no real reason to rush him, or to have him throwing a ball in January when training camp doesnt start for months. How stupid would it of been to rush Rex back in the offseason? Torn tendons take A LONG time to heal. He would've been out for at least a month and a half, and that's IF they wanted to rush him back during the regular season. And, given that he's the future of the franchise, there's no way that would've happened. "Logical fallacy," my ass. :rolly

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Feb 28, 2005 -> 01:55 PM) If you wanna call a guy injury prone based on two injuries in his 6 years of football (college and pro), then that's fine. But I won't. "Six years of football?" That's got to earn the Misleading Quote of the Day award. :rolly All it really shows is that Rex can stay healthy in college, but not in the pros. So, Grossman tears a tendon in his finger in his thrid game in 2003 and isn't even allowed to throw the ball until the end of February (meaning it's a 10-week-minimum injury) and then destroys his ACL while scrambling into the endzone in week three of the following season, yet he's not injury-prone? He's only played six games in two seasons in the NFL and has suffered two major injuries in that time, yet he's not injury-prone? Whatever... Grossman's a talented QB and could really help the Bears down the road IF HE CAN STAY HEALTHY. So far, he's done nothing to suggest that he can. Therefore, I would be in favor of picking up a veteran QB (Garcia, Warner, Harrington, McMahon, etc.) to back Grossman up when... errr... if he gets hurt again. Because if he does suffer another major injury next season, the Bears are toast if Hutchinson, Jeff George , and Krenzel are their only other options. Just look at how poorly Hutchinson played this past season (57%, 903 yds, 4 TDs, and 3 INTs in SIX starts... that's terrible!).

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Feb 28, 2005 -> 01:24 PM) actually, some have stated (sorry can't remember who in the media) that were it not for it being week 17, grossman would have missed about 3 weeks with that finger. He's not injury prone yet, but if he gets hurt this year, its time to ring in another young guy. Not yet though. Grossman suffered a torn tendon in that finger and was not cleared to even throw the ball until the end of February of 2004. Yeah, that's a pretty serious injury in my book.

Sweet. I hated that ass clown. He has no speed, can't catch, and commits at least one offensive penalty per game.