TaylorStSox
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When you realize that the Dodgers are owned by an investment firm made up of several billionaires, the "owners are cheap" argument is just dead. The game as a whole just isn't big enough, and doesn't generate enough money, to allow multiple franchises to operate in the same way. America's third most popular sport doesn't have infinite revenue.
A small group of Sox fans have projected their hate for Reinsdorf in a way that's made them completely delusional, and they're seeking out marginalized sports writers to confirm their bias.
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9 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:
I see the excess pay more as a marketing angle for Japan dollars than competitive outlays. See Ohtani pitching likely pitching between 400-600 innings tops under this deal, and expect serious hitting regression during the final portion of the deal. Yamamoto should be exciting for a few years. but again this is a large an overpay if strictly evaluating for competitive purposes. The Dodgers are going to sell a lot of s%*# in Japan and subsequently raise the value of the club. That's the primary focus of these two deals.
If these guys were Chuck Cornshucker from Nebraska and Jesus Isreal from the Dominican Republic with the same baseball pedigree, these deals would be for a fraction of what the Dodgers paid.
JR lucked into the Hip Hop and Gang purchases of his merchandise in the 1990s and beyond without spending a nickel in marketing. He doesn't see the need for paying players to promote his merchandise, same as his view on fielding competitive teams and building a competitive front office. He'd prefer sacrificing additional revenue if the players were entitled to a portion.
Hip Hop and gang purchases? Man, that's racist. For the record, no gangs are associated with White Sox apparel. In fact, the appeal of Sox gear throughout the years is that it's been considered neutral in relation to gangs.
Anyway, the Dodgers can afford to take these risks because they're owned by a multi billion dollar investment firm. Jerry and the Sox brass ain't that.
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KC has had 4 winning seasons over the last 35 and finished in the bottom half of attendance all but 2 of those years, despite winning a world series. I added them for a reason. The league is broken.
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10 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:
I keep stressing this for a reason - convince me that baseball has a competition parity problem. They have a salary parity problem, a resource parity problem, but they seem pretty far from a competition parity problem.
It has been almost 25 years since a team repeated as World Series champions. No team has more than 3 titles in the last 25 years. In the last 10 years the Royals have a title, the Astros have 2 titles after doing a complete rebuild, the Cubs have a title after doing a complete rebuild, the Nationals won a title and had to do a complete rebuild shortly afterwards. In the last 10 years, we have had the teams from Cleveland, Arizona, and Tampa Bay make the World Series as small market teams.
The Teams like the Dodgers, Mets, and Yankees may spend a ton of money, but it doesn't guarantee them titles, or even World Series appearances. Hell, the Mets and Yankees both missed the playoffs last year, despite all the money the Mets spent they had to sell off at the trade deadline.
Baseball has some moribund franchises, but a lot of that is internal. The Pirates and As and a few others have decided that they prefer to rake in as much money as possible. There are clearly some issues with the regional sports networks this year that have to be ironed out. What the Dodgers did with Ohtani's deal may in the future appear to be a big problem that has to be dealt with. However, if your team wants to win and is smart about doing so, there is no reason why you can't have a run of several playoff appearances in a row with a legit chance at a title and probably a World Series appearance.
The teams that don't do this - the Rockies, the White Sox, etc., aren't uncompetitive because they're being outspent so badly they can't compete, they're uncompetitive because they're dumb.
What the Dodgers did with Ohtani might change things and give them an extra advantage, but as of now I only see one cheat code to winning World Series titles in baseball, and it isn't money, it's Bruce Bochy.
For fan interest and participation, consistently fielding competitive teams is more important than winning a world series. The majority of the league has to operate in small windows every 10 or 15 years, then fade away. There just isn't any incentive in following baseball if you grow up in Cleveland or Kansas City or Pittsburgh, and that's reflected in baseball's dwindling popularity. Baseball has a problem.
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52 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:
It’s never going to happen in a sport without a salary cap where small market owners are content just making money
The small market owner argument doesn't hold much weight when we're talking about $1.5B tied up into 4 contracts. The vast majority of markets aren't going to compete with that - including the team with minority market share in Chicago.
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7 hours ago, caulfield12 said:
The sport is going to grow by 15% worldwide due to these two signings.
Whether a 50s/60s style Dodgers dynasty in the NL is a good thing for the sport is another question altogether.
Numerous non-baseball fans around the world are talking about the sport, partucularly the two contracts and these two talented players...
How could that be bad? Most teams will set attendance records when the Dodgers are in town as well.
Baseball is at its lowest participation and popularity rate in history. It's not even arguable. A 10% bump in popularity in Japan isn't going to move the needle enough to change that. If the sport wants to regain some of that, they need to figure out a way to have more parity. The NFL and NBA haven't had a problem figuring that out.
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Baseball's at it's lowest popularity in history. Only 30% of Gen Z consider themselves baseball fans and follow a team, compared to 75% of Boomers. This can't be good for baseball. Why even bother following the sport when there's so much imbalance?
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59 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:
40 years of indoctrination from the Chairman and his paid media minions is hard for many to overcome.
https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/what-is-stockholm-syndrome
If you go to r/baseball, the reaction has been pretty universally "this is bullshit." Thousands of posts from fans of every team seem to agree. It has nothing to do with Jerry.
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7 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:
Padres with 7 $100+ million contracts and certainly a valuation less than SOX...?
And then Ha-Seong Kim will be headed for yet another (#8) if he repeats his 2023. Heck, utility player extraodinaire Cronenworth is even over that amount.
We'll never know how how long they could have sustained that under Peter Seidler...as the first white flag was obviously dumping Soto's $33-34 million salary for just ONE season to get back to under $200 million.
Over the last 25 years, the Padres have had 3 years in the top 15 in baseball and 11 in the bottom 5. The Sox have consistently outspent them over the last quarter century despite having very similar valuations. Also, f*** Jerry.
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3 minutes ago, Capn12 said:
I'm also not crying "Man I can't afford the $50k a year landscaper that my coworker with the $8 million dollar home has."
....and then all the while, stuffing hundreds of thousands of dollars into my own savings.
Damn these businesses with a couple thousand employees for trying to remain profitable.
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1 minute ago, baseball_gal_aly said:
Not can't. Won't.
I'm sorry, but this is just stupid. A team with a valuation of $1 billion can't sign a player for $700 million. There's a real world out there.
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7 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:
How many of the playoff appearances the last 10-15 years have been Teams 1-8 or 1-10 in payroll. Last season was a post child for "bad" spending like the Mets, Padres and Cardinals, for example.
There's definitely a correlation between payroll and playoffs...but it has never stopped the Rays, Twins, Guardians, Brewers, Orioles (now), A's (more 2000-2015ish), etc.
The Royals almost won more WS titles than Dodgers/Yankees/Mets/Angels, over the last twenty years or so.
Marlins have won two.
Giants won 3 WS titles and had the best record in baseball three seasons ago without ever having signed a huge FA deal (except for Bonds, who was internal and obviously an exceptional situation.)
The Braves have done nearly as well as the Dodgers without running one of the Top 6-8 payrolls in baseball every single season.
ETC. ETC.
White Sox have allocated money for 0-1 scouts over the last twenty years in the Pacific Rim.
They've allocated more than $15+ million to Leury Garcia, however.
The Rays are actually a great example. Probably the best baseball organization in the business that will probably never win a world series because they can't buy the players to get them over the hump.
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1 minute ago, TaylorStSox said:
The Sox have the 16th highest valuation in baseball and have averaged the 13th highest payroll over the last 20 years. The Sox will never be able to compete with the Dodgers, Yankees and Mets. It's just not realistic. It's MLB's fault more than the Sox.
And f*** Jerry.
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3 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:
Nothing stopping the Sox or any team from taking the same advantage of the loopholes is there?
The Sox have the 16th highest valuation in baseball and have averaged the 13th highest payroll over the last 20 years. The Sox will never be able to compete with the Dodgers, Yankees and Mets. It's just not realistic. It's MLB's fault more than the Sox.
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3 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:
And to enable the Dodgers to continue to go after the best talent. That's a good teammate and a guy who puts winning high up on the priority list.
Yes, the guy already making like $50 million a year in sponsorships is a saint for deferring his $700 million contract. How selfless...
The lack of CBT hit is total bullshit and terrible for the game.
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Roy Oswalt with a less dynamic rising FB and nasty curve. He throws way, way too many splitters though and already has too much mileage on that arm. I think he'll be really good, but not $300 million good.
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Just now, greg775 said:
These contracts make no sense. Economy: Bad. Ticket prices: Already are too expensive for ordinary fans only going up. Baseball should be played in a studio cause only TV money is keeping it afloat. Good luck if these TV deals fall through some day cause of bankruptcy.
The economy is far from bad.
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The Dodgers have $1.27 billion invested in Ohtani, Betts and Freeman. That's more than the valuation of 5 franchises.
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26 year old, healthy Ohtani might be worth this contract, but 29 year old Ohtani coming off his second Tommy John is batshit crazy.
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8 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
Again, production and value is not defined universally across all contracts which is why this is meaningless.
Relax, sport.
Duh, hence the term "in a vacuum." Follow along, Wes from Winnetka.
This thread was going so well too. Nobody was insulting each other.
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Just now, caulfield12 said:
Rocky and Apollo
And suburbanite meat head sports fans, apparently.
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11 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
People like you will never cease to amaze me.
"In a vacuum it's a terrible contract."
According to someone who has zero insight or knowledge into a single financial as it pertains to the sport of baseball or the Dodgers.
Just sit this one out, champ.
Please also explain how something like this is placed in a vacuum when value itself isn't defined by any baseline.
"In a vacuum" is pretty obvious. It means that as a baseball contract, it's terrible as his production will never match the dollar amount, champ.
Who the f*** calls people "champ?"
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17 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_sports_contracts
Fine.
Baseball still has 15 of the 22 highest contracts in history by Wikipedia list.
And I'm assuming Alvarez would have to fight all 11 of those fights to collect the full amount...that's never guaranteed in a sport like boxing. And there's no guarantee DAZN will be fully viable to pay it all out, either.
"In a record-shattering deal finalized early Wednesday morning, Alvarez signed a five-year, 11-fight deal worth a minimum of $365 million with DAZN, which only launched in the United States in September."
He ended up leaving after 3 fights for a $280M settlement.
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5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:
Wouldn't Alvarez be based on a single year though?
Is that adding sponsorships?
Shohei Ohtani is keeping his talents in Southern California — but he will be wearing Dodger Blue now.
Ohtani ended the most high-profile free agency in North American sports since NBA star LeBron James' famous decision in 2010 on Saturday by announcing he will sign with the Los Angeles Dodgers.
According to MLB.com, Ohtani's agent, Nez Balelo, said the Japanese star will sign a deal worth $700 million, the largest in the history of North American sports.
Ohtani, who spent his first six seasons with the Los Angeles Angels, announced his decision in an Instagram post.
"To all the fans and everyone involved in the baseball world, I apologize for taking so long to come to a decision," Ohtani wrote. "I have decided to choose the Dodgers as my next team."
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2023/12/10/baseball/mlb/shohei-ohtani-free-agency/
Alvarez had a 5 year deal with DAZN for $365M.
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Yoshinobu Yamamoto got $325 million 12 years from Dodgers (+posting fee)
in Pale Hose Talk
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28 years ago? Jesus man.