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QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 03:45 PM) He's my #1 now. I liked him before but he's Coop's pick, so I go with Coop. If Aiken and Rodon are off the board do you prefer Kolek, Nola or Jackson? I'd probably go with Jackson at that point. The highest rated position player in any given draft is almost always at least a MLB player.

QUOTE (Ozzie Ball @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 03:34 PM) Kiley McDaniel ‏@kileymcd 23s Make sure you're sitting down but there's a lot of industry chatter that Jeff Loria is meddling in the draft room and will dictate the pick. Good, let them do something silly and Rodon falls to us.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 02:21 PM) He really likes Hahn and what he's done. It's hard not to. If Garcia wasn't injured and was hitting like 280/320/450 a lot of people would probably be talking about on of the best single offseasons in Sox history given the amount of money they didn't spend and how improved the team is. Granted Garcia came over before the offseason but that's semantics as they were in full rebuild mode by June last year.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 02:21 PM) Yes, please. Though if Nola is the pick, you probably want a HS school with more upside in round 2. What is the deal with Nola is his ceiling like a 3rd starter (2-4 WAR) and his floor is like a 4th (1-3 WAR)? If one of the big three is on the board I have a hard time seeing Chicago taking him seeing how rare true aces are coupled with that fact that Chicago has a few low floor 3rd to 4th starter types already in the system.

Seems like Law is starting to praise the Sox more and more in his comments. Kiss of death!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 02:08 PM) Also from Law chat Honestly I'm more worried about his arm falling off then anything related to his being "fat". Fat pitchers are fine, just don't tell me his elbow is gonna break from throwing 95+ all the time.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 02:06 PM) It's possible, but it's extremely risky given the rigidity of the draft rules now. When Crow did it, it was essentially still an open market. For Rodon to ultimate push his sign date back two years is to hope to avoid injury and maintain velocity just to enter the draft at age 24, having lost all semblance of leverage, all for the ultimate upside of less than $2m of slot bonus from 3 to 1. Realistically, even in the very remote scenario where everything in the world goes right for him and he gets popped #1 at 24 in 2016, the team that picks him is going to get him for underslot anyway, because wtf else is he going to do at that point? Meanwhile, he would probably be accruing service time in the Majors by then if he'd just taken his $5m in 2014. The Sox are well positioned because of Sale/Cooper and their general success with developing pitchers to tell Boras and Rodon: "Ok you can not sign with us and go back to college or try some crazy Indy league, or you can sign with us for slot, work your ass off, and be on the Chris Sale plan. You'll be accruing service time by this time next year, so sign".

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 02:01 PM) Could he hold his guy out a year and pitch in an independent league? That would be crazy, but maybe Boras is crazy enough to try it. That would be a huge risk though and Boras could kiss his empire goodbye if it doesn't work.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 01:51 PM) Ultimately, if we draft Rodon, he'll end up signing with us for a little over slot value, IMO. He just doesn't have the leverage players used to have. He's already seen his stock drop over the course of a year, and even if he went back for his senior year and DIDN'T decline and DID stay healthy, he'd be re-entering the draft with less leverage than before since he'll be a senior. If they like Rodon the best, they should take him. +1, I just posted pretty much the same scenario.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 01:49 PM) Aiken Kolek/Rodon: Kolek much easier sign probably, Rodon quick mover but Borass might play games with us Jackson As has been said -- what "games" is Boras gonna play? He is hand cuffed under the new CBA. See last year, when Appel was taken #1 overall and Boras couldn't do anything to get him overslot: http://mlb.si.com/2013/06/20/mark-appel-as...top-pick-signs/ The worst thing that could happen with Rodon is he signs for like 5% over bonus. I don't think that's going to deter the Sox from taking him if he's a clear #1 on their board at that pick.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 01:39 PM) My order of preference (would probably put Jackson in there but sounds like we're really locked into a pitcher): Aiken Rodon Nola Kolek I kinda want Jackson. Assuming Anderson doesn't play at SS and is moved to the outfield we could have one of the best outfields in baseball in 4-5 years with Anderson/Jackson/Garcia. That said, I think for sure the Sox take one of the big 3 pitchers.

QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 01:32 PM) super original It's draft day and the Sox have the #3 pick. Cheer up bro. Not every post has to be a wet noodle.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 5, 2014 -> 01:18 PM) Here's something interesting to consider with the draft... are there any family members of the front office or team in the draft? Casey Gillaspie is a late 1st-rounder so he's not a favor pick. Any obscure HS or college players we'll take in the lower rounds that are sons of people? Just curious if anyone knows. Kenny Williams' cousin's son twice removed on his mom's side is a 5-10" 160lb prospect outta San Poly Prep he's batting 200/230/330 against high schoolers but KW promises he's get high upside potential. Possible 40th round pick.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 4, 2014 -> 01:23 PM) This core though to me is nowhere near the core they had in the early 90s with Thomas, Ventura, Guillen, One Dog, Raines, Cora, Karko, McDowell, Fernandez, Alvarez , Roberto Hernandez. Then they would sign rentals like Franco, DJ, Burks, even Tartabull was good his one season. Before he got ultra-conservate, even though that seemed to work out, Schueler did put up an impressive piece of work. Granted he started with a pretty nice core, but his additions, until he sent Black Jack packing, where usually really good. Don't forget Ray Durham. Some real stars and scrubs teams from that decade.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jun 4, 2014 -> 12:13 AM) Advanced stats have been demonstrated to have way better predictive value than ERA People have a hard time understanding correlation and regression. They are really simple concepts that anyone that puts 30 minutes of reading into saber-metrics can grasp.

man all i can think about when i see puig talkign to himself up there is the video of him berating himself in spanish after his reckless driving arrest.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 4, 2014 -> 12:06 AM) But he doesn't and that is all that matters really no, it's not. It's luck. We don't want to include luck in projections if possible.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 4, 2014 -> 12:00 AM) Why? Well, there's a theory called DIPS and it's a long story after that. Let's just say he's pitching with a horse shoe up his rear end.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 3, 2014 -> 11:54 PM) Petricka has earned that opportunity, as he's done nothing to make Robin not trust him. Well, with a 90.8% strand rate, a k/bb ratio of 1.1/1 and a bb/9 of almost 5 while maintaining a chris sale esque .28 hr/9 rate -- he's a ticking bomb that's gonna go poof sooner rather than later.

QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jun 3, 2014 -> 11:52 PM) No but it is for putting him in there when there's better options +1

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 3, 2014 -> 11:51 PM) It's probably why his last team hated him. His ceiling is Erstad, if he's super lucky. He thinks he's a star. It's annoying. Uh, if eaton has Erstad's career as his prime years a Sox, I don't care of he gives the suck it motion to every fan at the Cell before he bats.

don't like putnam here, not one bit.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jun 3, 2014 -> 11:48 PM) : : : As a 5-8 dude myself, who played pretty high baseball for a bit you sure as s*** heard my coach say "...you wannt get noticed at your size you play hard and bring energy". There is a heavy scouting bias against small guys in baseball, even though being tall isn't that much of an advantage, if any.

man Jose sure can look bad at times.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jun 3, 2014 -> 11:45 PM) Yea if you're 5-8 and playing in MLB you better have a chip on your shoulder and play hard with energy. It's just the reality of it.