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QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Aug 23, 2015 -> 07:00 PM) Well if Danks didn't suck today... we probably have a shot at the game. A starter giving up 7 runs is a recipe for disaster... unless you're the Blue Jays. I'll still give this team credit, they genuinely don't quit on games very often.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Aug 23, 2015 -> 06:48 PM) Hahahaha Wtf was that throw about Eaton. No one was covering 2b so he just kinda bounced it so Carlos had time to get to it.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 23, 2015 -> 06:47 PM) Petricka gives up far too many hits. Definitely isn't a set-up man I still like him when there are runners on more than coming in on his own. With runners on it seems like he regularly gets the GIDP. When he starts the inning it seems like he always gets himself in trouble.

Well that's that. 7-1 M's.

Cruz injects the ball into the RF gap, 3-1 Mariners.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 23, 2015 -> 04:51 PM) Everything up in the zone and velocity down. Mariners not done scoring Giving up RBI hits to the guy hitting .068 isn't the best sign, I'll admit that.

Tie game.

Leadoff double for Trumbo

LaRoche stabs a line drive and pulls off a double play to end their half of the inning.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 23, 2015 -> 04:33 PM) Alexei has been a really good player. But he is pretty baseball dumb. That was a pretty tough play for Alexei, all he did was take a couple steps and it was so fast that was it. I can't be all that mad about that one. Yeah he should have taken 1 fewer step but a walking lead and an extra step on contact is pretty normal.

Gio lines to 2b, Alexei caught off 1b for the Double play.

RBI single by Alexei, 1-0 White Sox.

LaRoche rips a double to RF. Good swing on a high fastball.

Am I the only one left actually watching this team? This game thread is more vacant than it is during late night Pacific games.

Good quick first for Danks, mostly kept changeup down, couple K's.

Fairly quick first inning, good hit by Abreu and Eaton made him work, but no damage.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 23, 2015 -> 03:20 PM) Their defense can be improved, but offensively, the Flowers/Soto combo when combined offensively is about league-average. While Flowers is below average offensively, catching has become such a weak hitting position that Flowers is actually an average hitter for a catcher. The 2014 Flowers was about average in production for a catcher but the 2015 Flowers has been quite a bit worse than the 2014 version. Flowers has been below average with the bat. Soto has been above average with the bat, but I'd say it's extremely likely someone gives him a decent contract offer this offseason, perhaps for a multi year deal. How much are you willing to pay to keep Soto?

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 23, 2015 -> 03:04 PM) I 'm against trading Q but if push came to shove I'd love to get Kang and Polanco from the Pirates. I would say the Pirates are extremely unlikely to move either of those for pitching. They have 2 top pitching prospects coming up and Kang is the obvious long-term replacement for Neil Walker. They also don't have any obvious replacement for Polonco.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Aug 23, 2015 -> 09:23 AM) Why does everyone want to trade Quintana? It doesn't make sense unless you're getting a guy like Frazier our Arenado in return, and even then, Q should be pretty much the entire package. His value is insane, and a package that was suggested earlier in this thread for just Arenado (which included Montas, Micah Johnson, and Adams) should, in addition to someone like Arenado, net the team a young, proven 125+ wRC+ catcher with great defense. If we're not getting something worth 5+ WAR and cost controlled for Q, then why not keep the trio of cost controlled lefties that are likely to produce 15-18 WAR at the top of the rotation for the next 4+ years? You get two decent starters behind that, and you have the potential for a 20-25 WAR rotation, which is a playoff rotation with even a decent bullpen and offense. The argument is pretty simple. The White Sox have the weakest lineup in the big leagues. They will not win unless they can upgrade their lineup. The White Sox have excess pitching. The White Sox have spent their last 2 first round draft picks on pitcher in addition to trading for pitchers (Montas) and picked up other pitchers in trades. Trading from our strength to partially fill our weakness makes general sense. Finding an actual match is obviously a challenge, but "A great rotation and a terrible lineup" leads to a season like the one we're watching right now.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Aug 23, 2015 -> 01:46 PM) On some level, Saladino could be the "good, young 3B" you want us to trade for, one that we won't have to trade Q for. As you mentioned, at least the D is there, and the bat has some potential, and we know he's got good speed on the base paths. Personally, I'd like to give him at least half a season more at 3B before moving him to a utility role. The other issue is there is virtually no other "good, young 3B" available for trade who isn't an all star caliber player. Moustakas, Duffy, Bryant, and Seager fit the criteria, but those teams aren't looking to trade them. I think the key comparison between Saladino and all the other names you mentioned is that Saladino doesn't seem to have a bat that can carry himself at 3b. Sub-.700 OPS when he was at AA over several seasons, .746 career OPS in the minors, .704 this year before getting called up from Charlotte. If you just assume that guys will take a step down offensively in the big leagues, then you might hope for him to be a .675 OPS or maybe slightly better guy in the big leagues. Even if he's a solid defender and a solid baserunner, that's a below average bat at that position and very much so. On the other hand, that's an average to above average bat at SS. If Saladino is going to be looked at as a 3b for the next couple years, we need to find some "very much above average bats" somewhere else. Jose Abreu alone isn't enough to offset having this many weak, defense-first players in the lineup - basically right now the only 2 above average offensive players we have in our lineup out of 9 are Abreu and Eaton. We simply aren't going to win with 1 average offensive player, 2 above average offensive layers, and 6 below average offensive players in our lineup. We need offense somewhere.

LaRoche did it! Tie game Rodon does not lose!

Nice Bunt CS. Frankly LaRoche has been so bad I'd still pitch to him here.

We've got a shot at this!!!!

and good recovery again Carlos.

Nice move Tyler.