Balta1701

This is bothering me now. In Bauer's case, we knew he had issues with people online, but we didn't know how bad the Dodgers screwed up until a national reporter found out about the previous restraining order. If there is a record that would have been found by a background check, and the White Sox didn't do a sufficient background check, we will never know about that screwup. No one will ask Hahn about what kind of background check they did, and they wouldn't answer even if they were asked. Someone would have to go and actually find some sort of legal document filed in San Diego, and no Chicago reporter is going to put in the effort to figure that out. So, whether or not Hahn did actually screw up here, he will wind up being thought to have done nothing wrong, and there won't be consequences whether or not he messed up. No one will ever know.

.260 BABIP is pretty low but not the lowest of his career. FIP of 4.14 isn't terrible, was the best he put up in years, but was also quite a bit higher than his ERA. K rate didn't look that weird compared to the rest of his career, down a little from 2021 but same as he put up in 2016 and 2019. His walk rate the last 3 years is quite a bit better than in previous years in his career. Maybe he was a little bit lucky but yeah I look through this and think that this is a pitcher who would put up an ERA around 4 doing what he did last year most of the time?

Rolen is in.

He will get that money *unless he is suspended without pay*. If a suspension comes, that will cost him.

The real question is whether this was reported to any other spot that should have been found in an investigation. In Bauer’s case for example, he had a restraining order filed against him by a woman in Cleveland IIRC (maybe Cinci) and the Dodgers didn’t find out about that until the Washington Post published about it. That was a case where the team could have found out if they’d tried hard enough and didn’t. So, were there other documents filed here? A doctor or hospital admission report? Was this reported to police? Were any legal steps taken? Those are things the White Sox could have potentially found if they happened.

Got it, only in the second article, not the first. Thanks.

I don't know how this is true, but Clevinger's name does not appear in the article I'm seeing, only Tatis.

Until given reason to think otherwise, I really do believe the White Sox didn't know until perhaps yesterday when she shared the images on Instagram, or maybe whenever they were called for comment by the Athletic reporter, which was probably yesterday too, she probably decided to share those knowing that the reporter was making calls for comments. If you want to believe that the White Sox could have found this if they did a sufficient enough background check, and that there were warning signs in this guy's background that justified doing a more extensive check into his history, and that the White Sox didn't do enough - that could well be possible.

We are apparently going to be getting new voices for Rick and Morty.

Here's the text. If MLB said anything like that they would clearly violate this text. MLB would absolutely face a players association grievance if other teams came out and said they were aware of this investigation regarding a free agent. Emphasis by me.

If AJ Preller knew about this, the domestic violence policy forbids him from sharing that information with anyone else in baseball other than the commissioner's office in order to initiate the investigation. He would know not to sign Clevinger, that is an advantage he would have, but he would have violated that rule if he shared any knowledge he had. This one is not on Preller, he couldn't have said anything if he wanted based on the confidentiality rule text.

San Diego was not allowed to share any knowledge of this with any other team or with the press, that's quite explicit in the policy.

According to the report this was known to MLB last summer. When the Padres knew - all we know officially is they knew before today. If MLB was informed directly, they wouldn't legally have been able to inform the Padres or any other team, so the Padres saying they were aware of this implies that the Padres were likely informed directly by the victim. If the Padres were the team informed, they would have known from the initial report and they would have had to get the league involved. That is the only scenario where the Padres being aware of the investigation wouldn't break the rule as written.

The only guy for the White Sox I could legitimately see having a shot at that would be Grandal, if he had a 2021-like year again. Spent time on the IL and was terrible otherwise.

The statement from the Padres says that they were aware of the investigation. It is unclear when they found out, it is possible that the team was informed by the victim at the same time that the victim informed MLB, or that the victim informed the team first and the team shared it with MLB.

I think it's entirely possible you can judge the White Sox for that and for not doing enough of a background check given that this seems to be a risky person, but I think it is important to note that MLB was specifically blocked from sharing their information with the White Sox until the league was ready to announce discipline.

Worth noting, found the rules. MLB is required under a confidentiality clause to not inform the teams until they are actually ready to take actions. They can inform the players club when they are: 1 Announcing discipline or filing of a grievance 2. Establishing a treatment plan 3. Required to notify by a court order MLB itself, if I'm reading this right, could not inform the White Sox of an open investigation unless they were ready to announce discipline. It could be possible for the White Sox to have found out something else if they ran a sufficient background check, but MLB couldn't have commented to them. Section VI: http://content.mlb.com/documents/2/9/2/296982292/Major_League_Player_Joint_DV_SA_CA_Policy_English_2018.pdf

Ah I got it. If they release him today, they have bought out his entire contract. I believe these would be treated as independent actions, you would not get money back.

At this point, domestic violence is a collectively bargained issue. Suspensions and fines cannot be dealt with individually outside of the domestic violence policy, it's strictly forbidden. The team can withhold salary if he's suspended or away pending an investigation. They cannot cancel his contract for domestic violence. http://content.mlb.com/documents/2/9/2/296982292/Major_League_Player_Joint_DV_SA_CA_Policy_English_2018.pdf

What are you asking here? It’s a guaranteed contract and to my knowledge the only thing that is relevant is the CBA agreed upon suspension rules. Getting rid of him today costs $12 million.

Oh. Crap. There are some unverified photos on Twitter now that I won’t link to but you will find if you try searching for more details, be warned.

Yup, and that’s the last thing that ever happened to Esteban Loaiza. Nothing happened after he retired.

It also remains plausible to likely that the $3 million for Mondesi or $4.5 million for Taylor we just saw are more money than the White Sox can currently afford.

They had the second highest swing rate in baseball last year next to Detroit and the second highest swing rate on pitches out of the strike zone, again to Detroit. Regardless of everything else here, “free swingers” is an apt description.