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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 23, 2011 -> 10:45 AM) As good as Ogando was in the AL Championship series, he has been that bad in the World Series. He gave up the go ahead runs in the first two games and got Pujol-ed last night. And every time, he missed his spots badly, Fox has been showing his mistakes. If he cannot get his s*** together, the Rangers may end up with another also ran on their resume, because Ogando was the shut down bridge to Feliz

Jesus Christ

If you look to the right you'll see the Grand Canyon. If you look to the left, you'll see the ball Pujols just hit off Ogando.

Even Ogando has lost it tonight

QUOTE (MAX @ Oct 22, 2011 -> 10:31 PM) Working hard. Whoa, 2004 Presidential debate flashback

The braves were 1st in the NL in Obp in 2010 and 14th in 2011.

Well this is certainly a slow moving game

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 22, 2011 -> 06:57 PM) That's the best hope. I'm very concerned about the near future beginning in 2013. I can see a scenario where they keep their movable parts next year, win the division, and attendance remains flat or down. Things get easier once we get past Peavy's contract. The key now is developing the young guys into something useful and reviving Dunn and Rios's careers.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 22, 2011 -> 06:42 PM) I want Kenny to succeed. Given the current circumstances, which he created, I can't see how he can though. This roster as-is can compete if the big 4 do their jobs. I'm gonna lump that on the manager and the coaching staff. They utterly failed last year. Now another group gets a chance to get them back into the game.

QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Oct 22, 2011 -> 06:29 PM) I think you meant it started going downhill on this board June 8th of that year. Is this aimed at B>W? Because you missed the year.

Gooddell floats that the kickoff rule has produced more touchbacks than they expected, but they want to see how the rule plays out when the weather gets colder.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 22, 2011 -> 05:34 PM) You're wrong. I did not begin the "Worst Farm System in Baseball" thread with a criticism of Kenny. Also, since when is pointing out a contradiction a criticism? When it isn't actually a contradiction.

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Oct 22, 2011 -> 03:38 PM) Everybody's missing the big picture here...the White Sox are about to aqcuire a boatload of light hitting shortstop prospects from other organizations who project as utility men. How many HR did we get out of the last one of those we got?

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Oct 22, 2011 -> 01:15 PM) If the entire 2011 season showed us anything it's that two great myths of major league baseball don't always apply: 1) Pitching and defense wins 2) Highest payroll wins Therefore, I think it's reasonable for the team to attempt to build a solid, competitive core and hope it clicks. This team needs a lobotomy and replacing The Mouth and his boys with Ventura and new coaches is a helluva start. The White Sox weren't really all that good on pitching or defense last year, all things considered. Especially early in the season when they fell apart...their OF in particular couldn't catch a thing.

QUOTE (dpd9189 @ Oct 22, 2011 -> 02:29 PM) Yeah God forbid we'd have drafted Hanley Ramirez, Anabel Sanchez, Pedroia, Elsbury, Papelbon, Lowrie, Lester, Buckholz, and Bard. You can piss on the Lackey and JD Drew signings all you want, they have 1 more ring then us in the last 7 years and are constantly winning 90 games and giving themselves a chance to win the WS year after year while we're finishing behind Cleveland and trading Gio Gonzalez for Nick Swisher. ANibal Sanchez, signed by the Red Sox in 2001. Hanley Ramirez, signed by the Red Sox in 2000. Jon Lester, drafted by the Red Sox in summer 2002. Know what they all have in common? They were all in the Red Sox organization before Theo. And it's impressive that you left the Carl Crawford deal off there. And hell, Buchholz and Lester and Papelbon sure didn't play up to their contracts this year. And then Jenks.

QUOTE (dpd9189 @ Oct 22, 2011 -> 02:11 PM) You can hate all you want but I wish JR would do something similar by canning KW and get some guys in our FO that know what the hell they're doing. Our farm system is bad, our drafting has sucked, we're now one of the many teams with awful contracts. I don't get how Sox fans are ok with what's going on with us but then can bash the Cubs by doing the right thing in cleaning house and starting over. Yeah...Chairman Reinsdorf needs to clean up the front office and get people in there who know what they're doing. His GM has traded away everyone with talent, not drafted well the last few years, and saddled his team with enormous failed contracts on pitchers and hitters who don't do anything. You know whose example he should follow? Boston.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Oct 22, 2011 -> 01:12 PM) Sorry but I don't see the contradiction. I will say that if he trades our performers for A or AA talent then he is contradicting himself. Some have called for a rebuild, which I don't think we need. We need non performers getting paid huge salries to step up and perform at the level we expected of them and not trade those who have done the job. Go this route called rebuilding with some elses A or AA talent will mean we struggle for a number of years and that's only of that minor league talent even comes through. "Kenny Williams contradicting Kenny Williams's own statements by making a trade" is something that happens what, 6-7 times a year?

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 22, 2011 -> 12:52 PM) Who are they? If you're really desperate for pitching, Cole Hamels. Otherwise...I still don't care.

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QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 22, 2011 -> 12:48 PM) Who replaces Peavy? $17 million worth of players.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 22, 2011 -> 12:42 PM) Yep and don't even look at 2013. With Peavy's contract cleared out, things are almost guaranteed to look better.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Oct 22, 2011 -> 12:37 PM) Doubtful indeed. The Sox will be unloading productive pieces soon as well. Couple that with questions marks all over the roster, and I fear this team will need almost everything to go right in order to be competitive next season. The odds of everything going right next year aren't worse than the odds of all the failures we saw this year.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 22, 2011 -> 12:10 PM) It's also a bit difficult to take prospects several years away when he probably feels quite a bit of pressure to start showing results now, rather than down the road. Very true...but that's the curse of this situation. We actually have a lot of MLB-ready "Players", but no obvious MLB-ready "Stars". We're not likely to get an MLB-ready star who would obviously replace one of the guys we have.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 22, 2011 -> 12:03 PM) Theo bailed because that Boston ship is sinking. Big pitching problems and big contracts. All of which are his work.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 22, 2011 -> 12:07 PM) I think there a pretty good chance that's what he's doing. The Sox are such a mess right now that there are no palatable answers. No, they're not in the least in that bad of shape. However, you're probably right...Kenny would never say "I'll take anything I can get for Danks and Quentin."