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QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 12:26 PM) I've said that I dont believe in Tyler Glasnow much, but Keller + Newman headlining feels like a decent start. The quality of the 4th name makes or breaks that deal. I like Keller, but Keller + Newman feels like pieces 2 and 3 of an appropriate deal to me.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 11:41 AM) Agreed. This is a "let the kids play and see what they can do and see who we can move forward with" year for them. Plus, that Red Sox roster is pretty f***ing scary.

I seriously doubt there will be the run on the QBs that you folks are describing. People are excited over them after watching them just now, but once the combine hits the talk will be back to all the other guys and their 40 times. If Garret somehow drops, you either take him yourself or laugh as you trade the 3rd pick for the value of a #1 pick because a #1 pick player dropped.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 12:36 PM) The Yankees are fools if they go into the season with their current rotation. It's Tanaka and a bunch of garbage. Tanaka isn't even a sure thing either. I don't think the Yankees really believe they have a competitive lineup and roster and I'm not sure they're wrong. They want to see if Sanchez can repeat his MVP like performance and what other pieces fall into place. If those things happen then the Yankees will be more willing to open up. The situation they want to avoid is trading away Torres + a ton of other stuff and then having Sanchez hit an opening season slump, which is possible for any young player, and then have to trade away guys at the deadline when they could have just held these guys in the first place.

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 12:17 PM) Do we know that Hahn is demanding both? I would guess one of the two as a headliner is good enough. QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 12:19 PM) I would certainly ask for a Torres + Frazier + Sheffield package for Quintana If they really cannot stomach that, then the lowest acceptable offer would be something like: Torres + Rutherford + Sheffield + Andujar QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 12:23 PM) That's what that YES network guy said, I dont see a reason not to believe him. The White Sox did exactly what they should in a negotiation where they're actually willing to move the player. When the Red Sox asked about Sale last summer, the White Sox asked for Betts + in return - that's a short way of saying "we're not actually moving the player". When the White Sox dropped their offer to Benentendi + Moncada, the Red Sox could say "no way we're giving up that price, but here's a counter offer" and their counter offer was probably low. The White Sox then pushed back, and probably after a few cycles they wound up with the deal they wanted. The White Sox asked for Torres and Frazier from the Yankees, which is exactly what they should have done. They're willing to move the player. If the Yankees say yes to the first offer, you want to have gotten so much from them that you don't regret asking for more, but you don't ask for so much that the Yankees laugh at you and walk away. If you'd asked for Torres and Gary Sanchez, the Yankees would laugh and walk away. If the Yankees were actually interested in making a deal, they'd come back and reply "you can't have both of them, but we'll give you Frazier + this other player for him". The White Sox could then reply "no we don't like that other player but how about these 2 guys" and after a few cycles, something could get done. That the Yankees are leaking who the White Sox asked for and saying the White Sox's price is too high suggests to me that the Yankees really aren't being pushed to go for him right now and might actually be willing to start the season with their current rotation, because you only leak that first offer if you're really not willing to negotiate.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 11:30 PM) The problem is, you need teams to be and a pennant race and have pieces we might want. Also, in season your odds of getting MLB ready talent or close drops because teams are actively using them. Thankfully, the White Sox dropped the requirement that any player we get back has to already have MLB experience in their previous trades, so there is no reason to think that they wouldn't take someone back from AA or just arrived in AAA as a centerpiece in a deal at the deadline. I am happy about that because that was the right thing to do, so to me that's not an issue.

QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 12:20 AM) You also are banking on them still being in the race come July. There's always a chance one of these teams is worse than they appear on paper; happens all the time. At least right now you have 2 teams theoretically bidding against each other. No. I'm banking on there being teams in the pennant race in July. It doesn't have to be the Pirates and Astros. I predict that by July there will be teams in a pennant race, some of whom will need pitching. Honestly, I would be surprised if both of those teams are in the race given the setup of their rotations - one of them is going to have enough bad luck that they'll drop out like they did last year. But there will be a pennant chase, and due to the fact that there will be a pennant chase, there will be teams who decide they want to win that pennant. Prospects we aren't looking at right now will have good first halves and look better. If the Pirates and Astros think they're fine now, good luck to them. The market will exist in June.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 11:07 PM) I was being sarcastic. Your taking a risk with prospects we all know that. But I dont see how not trading him is a good thing. Maybe if the free agent compensation didnt change I would be singing a different tune. I think maybe we need to accept these teams value Q at a place where the White Sox are not at and that's all it's going to be. What do the White Sox do then? I dont see the value staying even level in that case. Then wait for a team's level of desperation to change. We have valued him fairly given his contract status. If teams like the Pirates and Astros think their rotations are satisfactory, then wish them good luck and we'll see if they have the best deal come midseason. Look how we're already saying that the value of Torres changed for the Yankees just in a 3 month period - there will be different teams in the game in June.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 07:04 PM) I think the White sox have been pretty conservative with pitchers and innings increases, not necessarily with promotions though. Things we saw with Rodon and Fulmer, I don't think they will push his innings too quickly. Montas went from 81 (injury related) to 127 with a big league callup/bullpen outings between age 21/22, which seems like a fair comp and the most reasonable one I can recently remember where they got into our system at upper levels without a big innings load.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 07:05 PM) Possibly, He will be on a innings limit that probably won't allow much in 2018. edit: They will probably target no more than 130 innings or so in 2018 This is still the White Sox. Barring injury/punching something I think you're under by a good amount, and I don't think i'll get bent out of shape if they push him more aggressively than that.

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QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 06:35 PM) Well, many of the guys that perpetrated that fraud are now in prominent positions in our government. So that cant be a good sign. Well they're not there yet and it took years of non-enforcement to build up enough fraud to lead to the last implosion, so you've got several years to worry about that.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 06:02 PM) Strange, they don't tax me on the water from my well. Nor my neighbors. Depending on the state, there are a number of different types of litigation that may be possible, particularly in dry years. If you're a small enough user and you're dealing with an aquifer that isn't in danger of depletion you will typically be able to slip by under a "reasonable use" standard, but if you try to pump out of the ground and sell your water to a nearby group of farms for agricultural use you'll rapidly be facing a lawsuit that you will lose, and these restrictions grow when you move to places that get hit by droughts because individual use will run into use by agricultural operations and their work will impact your aquifer. It would even be possible for you to split your water rights from your property rights and sell them if you were so inclined.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 04:50 PM) That just comes from the purchase of the land. No it doesn't. Water rights and mineral rights are split in ownership from land rights and courts and the state and federal government have made significant restrictions on water rights. You can't just pump all the water you want from a well on your property because that affects the water supply of other people pumping from that same aquifer or downstream from you.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 04:47 PM) That is just good planning with pitchers. The mistake would be to count on all of them succeeding and remaining healthy. I very much disagree. Put 5 out there and you expect they'll need time, and you expect that just from draftees/signees you'll continue to have some supply of pitching coming up more gradually. And if 1 of them falls flat...not only is finding a 5th starter typically fairly cheap, but you don't use them in the playoffs anyway.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 05:42 PM) I would exclude water as many people have a well. Electricity is a big one though. They are only able to legally pump that water from that well if they own the water rights on that land or lease the water rights on that land and that's a process that the government has regulated since the 1800s.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 04:41 PM) I think it's the kopech part that I disagree with mostly. Kopech is legit two years away just getting arm strength up. He just hasn't pitched much. So if he is up toward end of 2018 bullpen sounds pretty real regardless. Dunning is A ball. And Lopez/Fulmer have legitimate starter or bullpen? questions that we would have 2 years to answer then. And potential TJS. If we acquired 4 position player prospects i'd be happy but I don't think we are screwed with pitcher spots yet, not with the likelihood a few are in a ball and we know how big the AA jump is. That's why I said I'll take one pitcher back, but I am hesitant on that because the logjam is building. If you take back a top prospect as the 2nd guy also, even if he's way down in A-ball, then you're counting on something bad to happen to several of them by 2019 and that's not a very good use of resources.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 05:32 PM) But I wanna move this summer!!! If they pass their tax packages quickly that could be the best time to be buying.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 04:31 PM) So if they trade Q that will be a rotation of: rodon Giolito Glasnow Lopez ? For the guys they will have to start seeing in the MLB. This would be the rotation at the end of 2018. Odds are that Rodon will be gone shortly after with Boras being his agent. There is plenty of room even if they all develop into good MLB pitchers, whicvh with the control issues of a few of them, it's not guarateed. I would say Kopech has that 5th spot by the end of 2018, but even if he doesn't, you've forgotten Carson Fulmer. You're fully correct that it isn't guaranteed that they will develop into MLB pitchers, but you are missing how we will actually know that - it will require big league innings. If they do not get big league innings then they will not develop into good MLB pitchers. That's where the limits come from. Yes, a couple of those guys could flop, but they're not going to flop against AAA hitters, and even if they do you're still going to move them up and challenge them eventually.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 04:28 PM) Lopez? Yeah yeah yeah yeah I don't know why I can't commit his name to memory and now I feel dumb.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 05:26 PM) It is just so ridiculous they are pushing these nominees prior to the OGE report. No it isn't. No one cares about corruption, November 8 showed that.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 04:21 PM) This is assuming they all develop and all develop at the same rate. What are the odds of that happening? When everyone but Kopech has already had stints at least in AAA and the big leagues? High. Every one of those guys will be arriving in the big leagues by the end of 2018 unless they go down for a full season with an injury, and one thing we both have confidence in this organization doing is avoiding TJS. These aren't guys starting off at A-ball. These are guys who are going to get a stint in the big leagues by 2018 even if they have poor starts to 2017. Rodon, Fulmer, Giolito, and Turner will be in your rotation early in the 2018 season at the latest, and Kopech most likely by the end of the year, if not to start 2019. Glasnow will be in a big league rotation on opening day of this year.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 05:18 PM) The housing market is in for a real s*** show. Its not only going to be harder to buy a house, but those that own it are going to have less tax benefits. Things are about to get real s***ty. I think the adjustment will be far less than in 2008, but then again I am also working under the assumption that Dodd/Frank reduced some of the leveraged bets on housing and outright blatant fraud that blew up the financial industry, which I can't verify.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 02:19 PM) http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/08/chart-shows...affect-you.html I still don't understand how many people could get on board with this tax plan. It does practically nothing for the masses, and that includes anyone outside of the top 1%. There are so few groups who get any real benefit and to me, as I've argued many times, I think there should be a differentiation on those making 500K+ per year (and even more so when you get into the millions). It only makes sense for the very elite to help the support...they'll argue they already do, and I agree, they pay plenty in taxes, but the effective rates at those levels is nowhere near the effective rate of people making low to mid 6 figures (I have no fact to back this up, but can only assume this to be true and can't possibly believe it isn't, as I presume so much more of the income on those mega earners is from capital gains / businesses which can help tax treatment). I'm not saying we should tax them more, but I certainly don't agree with drastically reducing their taxes and do not believe that it will just create massive jobs. Just means more wealth will be hoarded to me. One thing that hasn't been pointed out here yet is that their plan to substantially expand the standard deduction will mean that very few homeowners at the middle class level will be deducting the interest on their mortgages, so the mortgage interest deduction for middleclass taxpayers will basically evaporate as that is passed (it'll remain for those who have large enough incomes and deduction amounts to still itemize). That's going to produce a response in the housing market as well.

Chuck Schumer takes Mitch McConnell's 2009 letter to Obama asking for cabinet level nominees to submit all their documents and complete a vetting by the office of government ethics before hearings are held on them, strikes off McConnell's name, puts his name, tweets it.