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QUOTE (SCCWS @ Oct 11, 2016 -> 03:53 PM) I think they look at it differently. They got little production out of 3B and LF last season. Benintnedi is a major upgrade in LF and either Moncada, Holt or Panda will play 3rd. I think Moncada needs a year in AAA but I guess ST will determine that. Either way, they will probably get more production than they got from Shaw/Hill at 3rd. I see people on this site thinking Encarnicion is headed to Boston. See very little on that locally. Thought is they will want a lefty not a righty with their present roster. Random brainstorm barely worth noting - if they were to give up Moncada, Frazier would become a reasonable fit for them at 3b, thus moving Sandoval directly to DH most of the time and perhaps alleviating their need to DH hunt in the process.

QUOTE (dmbjeff @ Oct 11, 2016 -> 04:09 PM) I am still not seeing a package with Moncada AND Benintendi. I think these 2 both have to be in a package for Sale. It might mean slightly lesser 3 thru 5 pieces in the deal, so no Devers or Kopech. I know they probably don't want to trade both in a deal, but I think the WS have to insist on both. Boston will be fine without both. Moncada is projected at 2B/3B where they still have in house options of Pedroia and Shaw and later Devers. Benintendi, they can do without, with JBJ and Betts staying there. It would require them to spend on a LF and DH with Ortiz leaving. They have the money to make that happen. Melky could be involved in the deal to plug a hole on their end and free us of $13 million. Also keep in mind they are saving huge dollars on Sale who really should be making $30 million a year, so a saving of roughly $20 million, which they can spend on Encarnacion/Cespedes. I could see this being a plausible basis for such a deal, but the problem with those 2 being the package means the White Sox will not get an "established big leaguer" which is why I think people keep looking at JBJ. The issue therefore on that setup might be more the White Sox than the Red Sox.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Oct 11, 2016 -> 10:57 AM) I don't think this is totally accurate. Trump benefited from a lot of split votes. There is a large contingent of Trump supporters than I would not like in the party, that's true. But I don't think it's what the party "is," just like I don't think Clinton is what the democratic party "is." I'm totally ok with you calling the Democratic party a fairly centrist party with an overly aggressive foreign policy that tends to beat out the anti-wall street and anti-militaristic factions. That doesn't represent every Republican obviously...but it's enough of a plurality that it easily won their primaries, forced the otherwise "respectable" candidates to declare that they were afraid of 5 year old refugees, and the party cannot win elections without it. That's what I mean by saying this is who that party is - it's a large enough fraction that the rest of the party was easily stomped by it.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 11, 2016 -> 10:11 AM) Congress is going to be a roadblock or enabler and those elections are very important here. HRC has already won IMO and now it depends if the GOP can right their ship away from trump./ Do not forget why so few people have "unendorsed" this disaster - because this remains what a very large fraction of their base wants. He surged to the lead because he told them it was ok to publicly hate certain groups of people because of how they look and who they are. Trump was actually right that Mitt Romney had to kowtow to him in 2012 - because he was the leader of the birther movement and that party's base is people in that movement. They cannot stop being who their party is.

A nice little back and forth of respect between Charles Tillman and Calvin Johnson happened over the last couple days.

So, one point I've been thinking about today with regards to "price for Sale and Q rising" - there's some nonzero risk of holding these guys too long and being too patient this offseason that at least should be considered. As basically everyone has noted, the Free Agent market this season is terrible. There are only a handful of guys who could make a difference on any given ballclub. Let's imagine that this situation creates an early offseason run on the available free agent talent, that guys like Desmond, Fowler, and the catchers are signed in November and off the market. There are teams that simply must sign players at some of these positions otherwise they will be playing the trade market just to have anyone there, particularly with the catchers I think. If the White Sox hold their ground waiting for someone to meet their price, it is of course possible some team could get deseprate as the FA supply shrinks, but let's say that doesn't happen and teams hold firm. Where do the White Sox wind up after the winter meetings? By that point, the free agent market would be utterly barren. If the White Sox have decided to play the game of being patient - yes they could continue holding these guys into the season, but what sort of season have they set up? They would have missed out on any potential FA upgrades, and they'd be scraping the bottom of the barrel in mid December to find people who could just play the positions they have open. If they're actually going to trade these guys or seriously considering it, there's a risk in waiting too long. They can't go out and sign Fowler to the richest contract in team history and then find the next day that JBJ is put on the market by Boston, but they can't wait for Fowler and the other FAs to be sucked up by someone else if they're not going to trade these guys because then they enter next season with the same moribund roster they had this year. Basically - there's actual pressure here. If they don't get a worthy offer early, you might not want to wait on the market.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Oct 9, 2016 -> 05:49 PM) I'm aware they had down years. Frazier, for instance, had a BABIP 42 points below his career average. And in 2015 when he had a BABIP slightly above his career average, he had the 7th highest OPS out of qualified 3b. He's a strong big leaguer, but taking a guy that is solid and declaring him to be elite has bitten us in the tail 2 years in a row. A guy doesn't become a top of the league player just because we say he will be, and planning a roster assuming that a guy is elite when he isn't sets you up for failure.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Oct 9, 2016 -> 05:15 PM) 1) Very few teams have perennial offensive all stars actually 2) Abreu, Frazier (~100 rbi and 40 hr in a down year) and Eaton are all elite offensive players at their respective positions. With a core of Sale, Quintana, Abreu, Frazier and Eaton, we SHOULD be able to put together a hell of a team with the money we spend. Unfortunately we blow it on KW love-fest guys instead of players who will actually contribute Jose Abreu had the 9th best OPS in the big leagues among 1b. Todd Frazier had the 15th best OPS in MLB among 3b. They're elite in the sense that their performance is significantly better than an average human being - I, for example, could not put up numbers comparable to those. But when we start limiting the comparison to guys in the big leagues? Martin Prado had a better OPS than Todd Frazier. While the long ball may be attractive, that alone does not make you "elite". These guys are solid big leaguers, but those seasons were no where near "elite".

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Oct 8, 2016 -> 06:50 PM) What religion is Butch Jones? I think I need to switch over Please tell me what you learn because I am about to find a religion again after this.

Oh and for the record, since one school didn't hire me last year and the other school did, #BTHOTennessee In class this week I did that in elements. I just couldn't get the last e.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 8, 2016 -> 06:13 PM) Sorry i didn't the see this before. No I didn't but they could have without some of those atrocious calls. Hell, It wasn't 59-0. For the Hoosiers, THIS WAS AMAZING.

QUOTE (zisk @ Oct 8, 2016 -> 06:21 PM) moncada,benni,kopec,pomerantz for sale Wha?

QUOTE (iWin4Ron @ Oct 8, 2016 -> 03:31 PM) Game 2 postponed to tomorrow (Sunday 1pm). Kind of a boring series compared to the other 3 for me. Couldn't really care less who wins this series. They'll likely be food for whomever wins Gaints/Cubs. Nobody saw the Mets coming last year at this point. At least I certainly didn't, then Daniel Murphy turned into an overnight MVP.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 8, 2016 -> 05:00 PM) McCain withdraws endorsement. https://mobile.twitter.com/mitchellreports/...863894997172224 I don't know why this was the final straw for so many of them. Kasich is all "I told you motherf***ers" about it https://mobile.twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/...5167104/photo/1 These. Are. White. Women. Not. Brown.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Oct 8, 2016 -> 01:19 PM) I consider Sale top 3 in baseball as a starter. But if Red Sox bounce back against the Tribe they may not want to pay the Sale price in players/prospects. Price gets $30Mil for 7 years and Porcello gets $22 for 4. So they may not want to add Sale knowing he would come up before they expire. I hope Hahn doesn't trade Sale for just prospects. I would rather see 2 ML quality young players+ rather than 4 high prospects. I'd think the money Porcello and Price are owed would do the exact opposite - make them even more interested in a top flight guy who is cost controlled for those 3 years. 3 years from now you can worry about dealing with Sale with the revenue growth you've experienced over that time if you do want to keep him.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 8, 2016 -> 11:37 AM) Check out the #notokay tweets today. It's disgusting. I keep watching friends of mine tweet/post their stories of stuff like this happening to them today.

Please describe sexual assault as "lewd or insensitive again". Please. I'd say do it as he describes then try to describe that as just lewd or insensitive for a judge, but you might get Brock Turner's judge.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 8, 2016 -> 07:57 AM) Even with Q and Sale 2 guys that if traded are supposed to bring enough talent back to set the White Sox up for years, they finished 14th in MLB in pitching the last 2 seasons. 27th in 2014, and 20th in 2013. Keepimg him is fine, but his Guru status with some is ridiculous. Coop will fix 'em has pretty much gone by the boards. The #1 thing he should get credit for is the extremely low number of TJ surgeries in this organization.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Oct 8, 2016 -> 12:41 AM) Yes Gonzalez regained velocity which helped him return to form. His velocity was way down in spring training. Unless it was something mechanical it can't be attributed to Cooper. Not sure if Cooper is as great as he used to be but he's gotten an awful lot of credit for the performance of top draft picks. Probably more than deserved. Rodon did spend very little time in the minors though so we need to be patient with him imo. Who? Rodon is the only top 10 pick he's ever been given in the big league rotation right?

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 7, 2016 -> 09:35 PM) That's such bulls***. Anybody with half a brain cell and no political agenda isn't surprised by anything released today. This is who Trump has always been. I really need a 3rd party I can join. This is specifically why that party voted for him. This is what they mean when they complain that they're required to be too politically correct and that's a problem. Shorter Paul Ryan: "Donald Trump is too disgusting to come to Wisconsin but I believe he is the right person to lead the free world". Direct quote from Mike Pence 2 hours after tape was released: "When he does his talking, he doesn't go tiptoeing around all those thousands of rules of political correctness"

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Oct 7, 2016 -> 08:37 PM) Maybe a decade ago. It's not unfair to give him credit for Gonzalez's season so far.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 06:18 PM) Erik Johnson is having TJ surgery. Well that would explain a lot of his last couple years if that were starting to go.

This is your regular reminder that stating it's so important that we stop being PC about one group, you don't get a pass when he switches groups to talking about rape and you have a daughter

Friend of mine who was chased at night, abused, nearly raped last year in LA is finding today somewhat triggering.