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QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 11:56 AM) In reality or in your fantasy 'nobody's injured' world?? In reality. They are #13 in my book. In the NL: only the Padres, D-Backs, Marlins, Braves, Marlins and Cardinals are better. In the AL: only the White Sox, Twins, Rangers, Angels, Red Sox and Orioles are better.

QUOTE(ScottPodRulez22 @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 11:56 AM) But he didnt get "shelled" by the cubs and you said a good team would shell him and you claim the cubs are good im confused. It is possible that a pitcher not quite ready for the big leagues can pitch well against a good team. "shelled by a good team".... only in my opinion. Nice try on attempting to paint me into a corner.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 11:51 AM) So your saying the Cubs aren't good? He pitched well in that game and got shelled by the Rangers. The Cubs are one of the top 13 teams in the bigs, in my opinion.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 11:47 AM) The difference is that they have 2 injury prone pitchers and those are their top 2 starters(Or atleast what they say). We have 1, and he is our 5 starter. And he was signed by planning on missing 5-10 of his starts, as noted by the public comments of our GM. Contreras has also had some tick on the DL the last two seasons, no? I didn't count on more than 50 from both starters combined.

QUOTE(ScottPodRulez22 @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 11:48 AM) Plus we have Bmac to pitch when el duque cant. So right now we have 6 healthy starters. McCarthy is not quite ready for the bigs. He needs a little more tick at the minors and a little more movement and command of the strike zone. He comes up again and faces a good team, he'll likely get shelled again.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 11:41 AM) El Duque has missed about 90 starts in his career, but those were almost all with the Yankees. Kerry Wood has missed around 78 starts in his career and every single one of thsoe has been with the Cubs. There is no point to be made here. The point is, the Cubs have some injury prone starters, and so do we. Again, comparing the 2005 Cubs to the 2005 White Sox. You are deluding yourself if you think Hernandez will start more than 25 regular season games this season.

QUOTE(Wedge @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 11:36 AM) Precisely. The short-term benefits of the Cubs having their starters pitch long into games will most likely come back to haunt them in August and September. The Cubs absolutely cannot win games where their bullpen has to pitch extended (i.e. 2+) and important innings. Their seven game winning streak: 3 wins against the horrible Rockies, 3 wins against a flagging Dodgers team, 1 win against a division leader. Let's see how they do over the next seven games. To do this, they've had to have outstanding (not good, not great, but outstanding) starting pitching efforts, even with white-hot performances by Lee and Ramerez. I would argue now that Latoya is gone and Borowski is back, it is at least a mediocre bullpen and not awful. I don't think bad teams win 7 games in a row, no matter who they are playing. I also don't think you can discount a sweep of the Dodgers on the road. Look how we do on the WC year in and year out. Yes, the Dodgers are in trouble. The Cubs hadn't swept them at LA in ten years, and there were a couple of pretty good Cubs teams in there, weren't there? Hell, the Yanks just got swept by the goddamn Royals on the road.

QUOTE(ScottPodRulez22 @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 11:35 AM) When your young your body is top physical condition is eood this injury prone now just imagine how he will be when he 30 let alone 35-40 if he makes it there Again, I am ATTEMPTING to compare the 2005 Cubs to the 2005 White Sox.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 11:34 AM) Kerry Wood was also the Cubs opening day starter, while Hernandez was the Sox #5. I could've sworn Hernandez started the fourth game of the year, not the fifth. Maybe my math is wrong.

QUOTE(ScottPodRulez22 @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 11:33 AM) El duques old and Wood is young We are comparing the Cubs and the White Sox. I think it's fair game to compare one old, injured starter to one young, injured starter.

QUOTE(ScottPodRulez22 @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 11:32 AM) I dont know about you hideaway lights but the numbers i see on that page are anywhere from 35-40 For the past 14 years no one is over 36.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 11:29 AM) http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/GS_leagues.shtml Fair enough, but since 1987 no one has started more than 37, and since the mid 90s no one has started more than 36. With a 5 man rotation, the most you'll get is 34, maybe 35. I'd be willing to bet El Duque has missed more games than Wood the past 5 years... or at least it's close.

QUOTE(ScottPodRulez22 @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 11:24 AM) 32.4 counting 4 man rotations and other odds and ends it is possible to make anywhere from 35-39 also that means wood misses 10 starts a year. Meaning he misses 1/3 of his starts thats alot. Two years, Wood missed about 9 starts each. Name me a pitcher who has started 36 games (not including playoffs, of course) in the past 20 years.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 11:25 AM) 70% of teams leading their divisions on May 31st end up in the playoffs. That is a pretty solid indicator. I understand this, but that's not the point. The point is that saying the White Sox are the best team in baseball this year because they have the best 53-game record is a little bit premature. That's my point.

QUOTE(ScottPodRulez22 @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 11:22 AM) because most pitcher make 35-39 starts 35-39?????? LMMFAO. 162 divided by 5 equals? Name me the last pitcher to make 36 starts in a season, let alone 39.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 11:17 AM) You compared the 2001 Mariners to the 2005 Cubs. Congrats. Ahh, I'm done with this. I'll get back to this nonsense later. By the way, if you re-read my statement about the Mariners, you will realize that you completely missed my point. I said that a 53-game record is not indicative of who the best team in a given year is. Next time, I will make sure to spell out each and every point extra carefully for you.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 11:17 AM) You compared the 2001 Mariners to the 2005 Cubs. Congrats. Ahh, I'm done with this. I'll get back to this nonsense later. I think everyone reading this thread takes this the same way I do. Wood has started 22+ games every year from 2000-2004, and 28+ games from 2001-2003. How the f*** is that constantly injured?

QUOTE(retro1983hat @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 11:10 AM) Our worry should be the Twins. They are chasing us down hard right now. Last time I checked, having a better record and being better than the Cubs has resulted in no division titles. Stop focusing on the Cubs. The Twins will lap us if we are not careful. Why did you click on this thread?

QUOTE(ScottPodRulez22 @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 11:07 AM) The cubs have no real lead off man the fundamentals suck and their pitching staff is all injury prone and dont say anything how if tyhe pitching was healthy the cubs would be better because i could have told you april 4th that wood and prior would be injured at this point! There are such things as periods, you know. They look like this "." Why is it so hard to accept that Wood COULD be healthy for a year? Two years ago he started 31+ games. Same as 3 years ago. Wood has really only been injured 3 seasons. As for Prior, who knows. He is definitely injury prone. I think on paper, their rotation when healthy is at least as solid as ours. If you honestly think Garland's going to keep that start up all season you're dreaming. He seems to have gotten better, but the season is LONG and I have him winning 16-18 at the most. As for the bullpen....ours is a MESS right now except for Hermanson. Our starting defense is MUCH better, I will give you that. Our fundamentals? Half the guys in the lineup can't get the bunt down and our backups generally SUCK at playing the field (Timo, Everett) let alone our regulars (lest we forget Dye's awful ApriL)

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 11:04 AM) Theres just so much wrong with this that I'm not going to even bother touching it. I'll take this as a concession.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 10:59 AM) Sorry, I'm still awestruck that you think a team with no closer, no hitting outside 1 man, no defense, no speed, a clueless manager, and still many unnamed problems could be 36-17 right now. Thats not only better than us, thats better than the Cardinals. Oh yeah, you can include the rest of the league in there as well. The ludacity of such a comment is incredible. How many hitters do the Sox have hitting right now? 2? Whose overall batting average is better, the Sox or the Cubs? And don't the Sox have a designated hitter so SHOULDN'T their average be WAY higher? Clueless manager? Have you been watching how the Sox have been managed recently? Yes, they have no closer. We have several holes at setup. How many blown saves do the sox have in the last 3 games... six?

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 10:59 AM) Sorry, I'm still awestruck that you think a team with no closer, no hitting outside 1 man, no defense, no speed, a clueless manager, and still many unnamed problems could be 36-17 right now. Thats not only better than us, thats better than the Cardinals. Oh yeah, you can include the rest of the league in there as well. The ludacity of such a comment is incredible. Again, you seem to think that the best record after 53 games indicates who the best team in baseball is in a given year. Let's talk about the 2001 Mariners, shall we?

QUOTE(ScottPodRulez22 @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 11:00 AM) Then why did you start a thread saying the cubs are better I did not say the Cubs were better; I am simply raising the topic. As I stated, I think it's a good debate. I can hate a team and still recognize their talent, believe it or not.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 10:52 AM) ROFLMAO You have to be kidding me. Wow, with reasoning like this, how did you possibly miss out on the National Debate circuit?

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 01:42 AM) Could you slurp the Cubs cock a little more next time please? kthx I was asked to let y'all know when they beat a good team like the Padres. Just lettin' you know. For the record, I hate the f***ing Cubs.