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OZZIE, WHAT IN THE f***ING f*** f*** ARE YOU THINKING THROWING OUT FREDDY FOR THE EIGHTH? RESTED BULLPEN?

Kong doing his best Crede tonight

In the top of the second if you told me Freddy would go seven and we be down one run I would've taken that in a HEARTBEAT I love our chances to steal one here If I were a Dodgers fan I'd be seriously worried

oh s*** I thought Ozzie was taking him out

I stand corrected lol

home plate apparently jumping around on blue

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 18, 2005 -> 06:46 PM) It's Elmer Dessens, man. LOL. I think a bigger lol is Freddy is going to get a quality start out of this

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 18, 2005 -> 06:44 PM) Once again... 2 hits off of Elmer Dessens through 6 innings. That's pretty disgusting and worse than your 2/3'rds rule. There's this concept I've heard of called "variance"...

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 18, 2005 -> 06:41 PM) Doesn't the term fit tonight? I'm just waiting to hear Hawk say how Dessens is an ace-quality pitcher. :headshake :puke The way you describe the term, yes. I'm just sick of every time we go 6 up 6 down in sequence hearing "corpseball" it's baseball, folks. The best hitters are out 2/3rds of the time or more.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 18, 2005 -> 06:38 PM) Ummm, no it isn't. Corpseball is making a sucky pitcher like Elmer f***ing Dessens look like an ace by only getting 2 hits off of him. That term has been used in at least half the game threads this season

QUOTE(wsox08 @ Jun 18, 2005 -> 06:35 PM) DId DJ just say it is one of his most outstanding outings? he's right. He's pitching a hell of a game despite being completely lost the first couple of innings

"corpseball" is easily the most overused term on this forum

QUOTE(wsox08 @ Jun 18, 2005 -> 06:28 PM) Don't forget the forth inning not to mention the fourth friggin' miracle

QUOTE(wsox08 @ Jun 18, 2005 -> 06:25 PM) good quick inning for Freddy considering the top of the 1st and the beginning of the 2nd, Freddy getting through 5 is a friggin' miracle

I swear to God the homer rate when Hawk says "stretch" has gotta be under 5%

QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 17, 2005 -> 11:26 AM) who do you feel would be tougher to beat in a series? the tigers and indians or the yankees and blue jays? We swept the s*** out of the Blue Jays at skydome. The Yankees honestly DON'T scare me. They sure didn't scare the Royals....

QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 17, 2005 -> 11:13 AM) i think the al east is the best from top to bottom. before yesterday, the yankees were in fourth place. that's a pretty deep division. But the Yankees are playing like crap, despite whatever talent they have on paper. Their team is just not very good. I think certainly Toronto and maybe even Baltimore will fade. That division will be pretty bad when it's all said and done, in my opinion.

I guess NL east is a little better at this point.

The combined record of central teams is like 15 over .500, by far the best in baseball, no?

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 11:52 AM) First of all, FLDG% is so unbelievably weak that that argument makes me sick. Royce Clayton doesn't make errors either, and quite frankly, I really don't want him as my SS at any time. I'd much rather have a guy with a strong arm and more range who makes a few errors here and there. Crede is a solid defender...underrated by some, and overrated by others...has a little bit of range, but does not have a ton, makes the plays he needs to, and makes some very good ones too. He is above-average defensively The fielding percentage thing just bugged me I think. Thats all What defensive measuring stick do you use, then? I'm not wedded to fielding percentage. Crede is certainly above average defensively, as you reiterated. I just threw in the F% as an afterthought.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 11:48 AM) If he hit 260 I would be happy. But I havent seen him hit 260 yet. He hit .285 in 53 games in 2002. He hit .261 in 151 games in 2003. His career average is .254 (not that far off of .260).

Crede bashers...I know 3b is traditionally a power position...but assuming his average can come up to around .250-.260 range.... and he hits 25+ doubles and 22+ home runs, 70 RBI and 70 Runs (his currently projected totals), I'd take that from my 9th place hitting, good-defending third sacker (8th out of 21 in qualified fielding percentage for 3b).

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 10:34 AM) Yeah, but it's somewhat evening out this year...Garland's mostly had bats there to carry him when he needs them (aside from that start in Anaheim) - he gave up 6 to Toronto and the bats bailed him out, he gave up 6 yesterday and the bats bailed him out. True, but even with average luck he would've still only lost a couple more games. At worst, he'd probably be 8-5 at this point if he had lost all three games where he had mediocre to bad outings that he won, and that's if he would've gotten decisions in all three....still well on pace for 15+ wins. No matter what run support he had he would've won those back to back shutouts he tossed, that's for sure.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 10:20 AM) Every pitcher ends up dealing with some bad luck and poor run support. That's why you have people pitching more quality starts than wins. That's why Jose Contreras and Mark Buehrle don't have 10 wins a piece. My hunch is that Garland had worse luck last year than most pitchers and worse run support during that first half.

I didn't say every year, but he was definitely robbed of winning 15 in 2004 by lack of run support and bad luck.