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I'm a big Rowand fan and believe in the whole chemistry thing, but unless we can get Rollins from Philly as well, this trade doesn't really appeal to me all that much.

(Hawk voice) I LOVE Pablo Ozuna.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 4, 2006 -> 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes. Their pitching staff is currently Carpenter, Kip Wells, and presumably Reyes and Wainright until they sign someone else. What about Weaver? Ugh, I'm a Cardinals fan, and I don't even know this stuff. I gotta start paying more attention.

QUOTE(Melissa1334 @ Dec 4, 2006 -> 05:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> haha, yes. >this is a very good move for the cards, for obvious reasons. Oh, wait. I may have to correct myself. Aren't both Suppand AND Mulder free agents?

1 down, 1 to go. This is awesome.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 4, 2006 -> 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Levine has mentioned Rowand's name every monday morning for the past 3 months, this is nothing new. I'm starting to think he's just throwing this out there once every couple days as pure speculation in order to keep Sox fans listening to his updates since most still love Aaron. Heh, it actually makes sense to me, too, since so far it's been quiet.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 4, 2006 -> 11:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'd be all for Garcia/Anderson for Rollins/Rowand. In today's market, Rollins contract looks pretty damn good. Also, as much as I dislike Rowand due to his reputation among Sox fans, at least we wouldn't have to worry about Ozzie mishandling our CF position anymore. Also, the more things happened last year, the more I began to realize that Rowand did have a lot to do with the chemistry. And let the record state that I was one of the first ones stating how overrated Rowand was/is. My thoughts almost exactly. I'd be for this trade as well.

QUOTE(bschmaranz @ Dec 4, 2006 -> 11:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That would be friggin' insane if you ask me. As in good or bad?

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 28, 2006 -> 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That is exactly how I feel about it. Baseball screwed up by not getting testicles and actually having a drug policy. Even if Mark McGwire came clean in a tear filled rant on Oprah, he did not actually do anything wrong as far as MLB was concerned at the time. Now if you want to play the illegal card, that opens a whole nother ball of wax. If you want to keep people out of the Hall for steriods, preMLB testing, you have an obiligation to also keep out every single other person who did something illegal during their time in MLB, such as the drunk drivers, the wifebeaters, the druggies, the tax frauders, the fighters, etc. MLB screwed this up, and now they get to go onto the national stage and try to justify their screw ups. Tim Raines should be a first ballot HOFer. There is no doubt in my mind. He comes up for vote on the 2008 ballot. PRICELESS. As far as the point, and correct me if I'm wrong, but steroids physically manipulate your playing ability, not the same as wife abuse, fighting (depending on how you look at it), tax fraud, and sometimes drugs (depending on what point in time and what kind).

Wow. That's pretty nice. But with rumors of A-Rod and all, it raises questions. What do the Phillies need from us? Most likely pitching. I'd love to get A-Row back, although I believe Brian is developing, although we all know there's been some tension there. We'll see what happens.

QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Dec 4, 2006 -> 11:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Now we're talking...but I hope against hope that it's Garcia. Trading Jon or B-Mac to the Yanks? ERROR! DOES NOT COMPUTE!

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Dec 3, 2006 -> 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Is it not possible for a World Series champion to be a bad team? Hilarious question. And to answer it, frankly, no. Not that year at least. Otherwise, how DO they win a WS? Luck? Like I've said, they beat the two best teams in baseball in the postseason to win the WS. You can dissect all the aspects and say the other teams f***ed up and whatnot, but again, good teams capitalize on those mistakes. The Cards won the WS which means they were the best team. PERIOD.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 3, 2006 -> 07:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Wow, you sure did assume a lot about my opinion from one small post. I don't even know where you got half the s*** in this post. Well, you basically said that the World Champs were a bad team, so I made the most logical assumption I could think of. If I made the wrong one, I'd love to hear your logic (unless it's as obtuse as the "logic" that some of the other posters I've addressed have used).

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Dec 3, 2006 -> 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> How did the Cards beat the 2 best teams in baseball? The Mets were down 2 SP's in the playoffs.... a team with that bad SP is not one of the "best teams" and I know your not talking about the Padres. And the Tigers were the wildcard team so I dont understand what makes them the "best team" either. The Cards won a WS, no one is taking it away from them. But that doesnt change the fact that in any other division they might of not even of been 2nd and Pujols shouldnt be whining when Howard's team had 2 more wins than the Cardinals. What thought process are you using? The Mets and the Tigers were the best teams all season long. Who in your estimation were the best teams? Sorry, but the best teams are those that make the playoffs and go farther. As far as Pujols, I don't have much of an opinion on the MVP. Should it be to a member of the winning team or simply the best player all year? A matter of opinion I guess. But I'm getting really amused by all of this Cardinals bashing simply because of whatever falws they had. How many WS winning teams had big flaws (that they managed to overcome)? They won the World Series, they are the best team. Talking about flukes, opponent's mistakes, etc. to try and s*** on a team that won it all and make them sound bad is biiter bulls***. BTW, anyone who says Pujols is who lead the Cards to a WS title has absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

QUOTE(Westsox @ Dec 3, 2006 -> 11:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I totally understand why all of you hate Pods. Yep, the games when he pitched and couldn't get the third out when someone homered to win the game, the games when he was batting in the 3,4,or 5 hole with people on and he struck out. Need I go on? You give this guy too much credit for loosing the season. If he has this much to do with the success of the club, I'd say he's worth way more than 2.9 mil. Trade him to a team that hasn't won a series in a looooong time--maybe the magic will go with him.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Dec 3, 2006 -> 05:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Stop looking for reasons to judge a team? Are you f'ing serious? What's a better way to judge a team than by their regular season record? A stretch of 16 games? If that's the case, let's crown the f***ing DRays or Royals champions. JFC... BTW, you wanna talk about ignorant, way to f***ing completely ignore every other fact that is being thrown at you, and instead making this into an argument based completely upon the postseason and nothing else. Pretty much every team has struggles in the regular season, but no other World Series winners have ever struggled to the tune of 83 wins. How are you even debating that? They were the worst World Series winner ever, and I'm not sure there's really any argument against it. I don't think anyone here is by any stretch of the imagination suggesting they shouldn't have won it. Who gives a big, fat s***? YOU people are ignoring the only fact that MATTERS: The Cards beaat the 2 best teams in baseball to WIN THE WORLD SERIES, which happens to be the ultimate prize, you know?.\ How does what they did in the regular season matter if they managed to overcome it and win it all (kind of like how the SOX did in '05, which none of you seem to understand)? They are a good team. GET OVER IT. After this display of supreme ignorance, you guys have made this place feel like a Cubs board to me. Thanks A LOT for proving that some Sox fans can be just as idiotic as Cubs fans.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Dec 3, 2006 -> 01:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That would be me. However, drunk or sober, the Cards were still garbage. Again, ignorant. How many times does I have to state the facts? Why do you people keep ignoring these facts? Stop looking for reasons to judge a team. They won the World Series, in which they beat the two best teams in baseball to get that title. Stop making excuses for the other teams or whatever. They won. They are a good team. There is no argument. Is ist that some of you are the type who think stats are all that matters? Well, how are THESE stats: Cards vs. San Diego - W. Cards vs. New York - W. Cards vs. Detroit - W. This is the only stat that matters. So they had the worst record of any WS winning team. So what? They still managed to do it. As I said, they aren't the only team to have struggles and win the WS. AGAIN as I said, so did our Sox. They are a good team. I absolutely CANNNOT stand people that s*** on teams that win the freaking World Series over s*** that ultimately does not matter. It's stupid.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Dec 2, 2006 -> 04:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So are you telling me that the DRays, Royals, or Cubs couldn't get hot for a stretch of 11 games? Afterall, the Cards only went 7-4 in their way to the World Series. None of those teams mentioned above could have gone 7-4 against the Padres and Mets? If you say no, I'll just simply have to beg to differ. They also proved they were a good team by winning 83 games in the regular season... :rolleyes Don't give me the injury excuse. They played in, by far, the worst division in baseball...any other division, and they finish 3rd. Just curious...who said anything about an asterik or about them being the worst World Series winner ever? As far as I can tell.....especially after reading your post defending them being better than the worst World Series winner ever.....the worst World Series winning team is a completely arbitrary opinion; thus, no asterik should be put next to the title, even though it is quite apparent who the worst World Series winning team is. worst.concept.evar. Alienate every single team? NO OTHER TEAM HAS EVER WON 83 GAMES AND WON THE WORLD SERIES. NO OTHER TEAM HAS EVER WON THE WORLD SERIES WHEN THE OTHER TEAM MADE ERRORS IN 5 STRAIGHT GAMES. Why is that hard to alienate?...just curious of course The Cardinals got great pitching from pitchers who were mediocre or worse in the regular season, outstanding results from a bullpen who was about as experienced combined as Augustin Montero, and timely hits from an offense that was mediocre. lucky.as.f***. You wanna talk about ignorant...jesus tap dancing christ (of course, no offense to any Cards fans on here...love what they did, and I'm glad as hell they did it. I'll just argue that they were lucky, and seeing as how you have the trophy, I'm not sure you guys care.) Some of you are sounding idiotic. They won the World Series, and they beat the 2 best teams in babseball. PERIOD. END OF STORY. How can you say they sucked? It makes ZERO sense. What I am saying about the asterik is that that appears to be what kalapse and some of you are doing, otherwise you wouldn't be saying that the World Champions suck. f*** the bad record. They still won it all. How good did the Sox look in September of '05? They still won. So the '05 Sox team sucked then, too? Bottom line: the Cards beat the 2 best teams in baseball in the playoffs and won the World Series. They are a good team. What, are you trying to say that the fact they DID beat the 2 best teams in baseball and won it all doesn't count because they only got 83 wins? f*** the division, they went far and beyond that. You all make them sound piss poor just because they were ina bad division. Apaarently I need to say it again: there were three series that were played after that, and the Cards won all three, became World Champions. Lol. What a lack of common sense in this topic. We got drunk people posting in here and everything else.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Dec 2, 2006 -> 01:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> A Cubs fan? C'mon now. Why insult me just because I disagree with you? And yes, I am drunk. LOL. It's evident since you're disagreeing with facts. Come back when you're sober.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Dec 2, 2006 -> 01:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Dude, the Cards won a pathetic division in a pathetic league. They would've been swept by the Mets had they not lost damn near their entire rotation. Dude, did you: 1. Read my entire post? 2. Know that they won the pennant and the WS, too? 3. Get drunk before you posted? Again, to claima team was bad when they won the WS, in which they beat the 2 best teams in baseball, is obtuse. And to claim it as meaningless because of errors made by an opposing team (even though that was the case in ONE series) is hypocritical. So, just how many of you have lost your damn minds? You and Kalapse sound so obtuse, you're like Cub fans.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Nov 29, 2006 -> 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> They were bad, they won 83 games in the NL Central. Injuries or not they still stucked. Yeah, they sucked so bad that they won the World Series, beating one good team and the 2 best teams in baseball to do it. Please don't make that lame excuse about the Tigers making errors. Sure, but the Cards capitalized on them, much as the SOX won games by capitalizing on mistakes. Wins are wins, and there are no flukes. If you want to say they had bad stretches or sucked during a lot of the season, granted since they reside in the N.L. Central, but the Sox has a very ugly stretch in '05 and still won it all when almost NO ONE believed they could, so you sound hypocritical. The Cards proved they are a good team by getting to, and winning the World Series with a talented club that had did have struggles with various things, including injuries, which they overcame. If you want to put an asterik next to a team's name because of opponents' mistakes (which was only a vital factor in ONE of the 3 playoff series), frankly, that's your own absurd, inept preference. May as well alienate every single team that ever did it, including our own World Champion '05 Sox. Very ignorant statement made by you, sir.

Hey, I'm not saying I wouldn't rather have someone else, I'm not trying to make comparisons here, I'm just saying Pods' season last year was not without merit.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 1, 2006 -> 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 1.) Actually he was. 2.) Nonexistent would be a much better way of putting it. 3.) No, no he didn't. 4.) Wretched slumps that took up most of the 2006 season. 5.) I think you meant good "stretch" as in singular, May. 6.) Yep, he stole 40 bases which was good for 5th in the American league last year. Of course he was also caught stealing 19 times which was the most in the AL last year by 3 over Figgins and a whopping 8 over Luis Castillo. He was also only successful 63.8% of the time when attempting to steal a base which was the worst in baseball last year for all "basestealers". The general rule of thumb is if you're under 75% you're hurting more than you're helping, he was 11.2% worse than that. So in other words he was the worst basestealer in all of baseball by quite a large margin. 7.) Pitching may have been the #1 reason but having possibly the worst leadoff hitter in all of baseball didn't help much. 8.) You're right he may actually have been worse than people make him out to be. Just some food for thought out of all the leadoff hitters in the AL last season Podsednik's .330 OBP was the worst of all of them with the exception of only Joey Gathright (ungodly bad) and Covelli Crisp (injury prone season). Mix this with some of the worst defense you're ever gonna see and you have a combo of epic suckitude. One more thing to wrap your mind around: since July 27th, 2005 Scott Podsednik has put up this line: 182 G | 703 AB | 65 BB | 125 K | 48 SB | 29 CS | 62.34 SB% | .263/.327/.347/.674 I generally (although not always) agree with you on things, but you are doing exactly what I've said. YES< he did hit well, aand at one point, if I remember correctly, got his average over .300. 40 stolen bases is still good. I personally believe it all goes with the team. if the Sox had won teh WS last year, or at least the division, I guarantee you that all this b****ing about Pods would be drastically reduced if even produced at ALL. 40 SB would have looked pretty good. From a couple things you've said, it seems to me you are, like I said, being overdramatic, and perhaps have not payed as much attention to Pods this year as I have (and that's sad considering I actually have a bad memory). Pods was not great last year, but he did a lot tp contribute. I'm tired of this attitude from people who act like Pods was the number 1 reason the Sox bombed last year. The amount of complaining about the pitching (the thing that DID cost us last year) pales in comparison to all the b****ing about Pods that I've heard, and it's sickening. If the pitching had produced, Pods successes would have been highlighted more than his faults. As usual, when a team fails for whatever reason, people blame it on anything and everything they can. Regardless of the stats, Pods did contribute in many ways. Stop blaming Pods for the Sox's failrues, people, for God's sake. Again, it all boils down to winning. If you win, people praise you regardless of any f***-ups, at least mostly. If you lose, people are much more sensitive to your f***-ups, and all of them. But Pods was not a total f***-up last year.

Wow, I see that nothing changes on Soxtalk. First off, I was a bit shocked to see this Pods signing as well, but it doesn't mean he's staying. Second, why is every Sox player either overrated or underrated here? Frankly, I'm getting sick and tired of hearing how horrible Pods was last year. No, he was not great. But he was not as piss poor as half of you make it sound. Admittedly, the fundamentals were lacking, but he hit fairly well . He had some bad slumps, but he had some good stretches as well. And he still got a lot of stolen bases. Wasn't he still no. 2 or 3 on the stolen bases list for the A.L.? Frankly, IMO, you people are being overdramatic about this. Let's not forget that it's PITCHING that cost us last year, NOT hitting. STFU about Pods last year already when he was NOT as bad as everyone makes it sound. And yes, he could get better. Whoever it was that said we should stop b****ing, I say "AMEN!"

Figgins playing CF?