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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 04:27 PM) Secretary Chu tries to explain basic Plate Tectonics to Rep Barton, R-TX. Barton came off like a complete ignorant jackass.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 09:31 PM) I realize both sides were in the wrong QUOTE (BearSox @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 09:31 PM) Nor do I blame the Indians

QUOTE (BearSox @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 08:54 PM) But I just can't stand when people make the Indians out to be a completely harmless and innocent group that did no wrong. How would you react if people invaded your land and tried taking it from you?

I'm having trouble finding Lillibridge on the ballot. Which position is he listed under?

I gotta admit I like her as S.O.S.

QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 02:22 PM) Weather permitting... Odds they get this one in?

It's fun to see the Twins play crappy when they're not in their beloved grounded blimp.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 01:12 PM) You used to think about people hijacking planes for the sole purpose of crashing them into buildings in largely populated cities? Not specifically but the human race has consistently shown us that there are some f***ed up minds out there.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 01:05 PM) Anything we've done over there doesnt make them any less crazy. They are doing things on proportions and on scales no one in the world ever thought imaginable. After looking at various civilizations throughout human history nothing is unimaginable to me.

I'm going up for air.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 12:54 PM) Never said we didn't, but I sure don't think we made it our official policy to kill thousands of civilians just for fun, either. Sure we did. Ask my native american friends about that one.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 12:50 PM) You know what the purpose is. It's to gain information. It's not to get their jollies. Apparently, though, that's what most on the left want to make it. Doesn't seem very effective if you need to do it over 100 times and still get no new info.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 12:44 PM) And furthermore, if it's so nice over there and they treat their people so much better, get out of my country. I'll make sure to stay off your lawn too.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 12:44 PM) Yea, we use chemical weapons on our own people, we behead people, we cut off limbs, we whip and beat the crap out of people, we cut off their nuts and let them bleed a slow death - yea, we do all those things. It's not the same thing. Not even close. I personally don't like the idea of waterboarding people - but I think it's not torture like you have the hard on to make it. You all want something so bad to hang GWB administration people on without even looking at the big picture. "NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW"... that's right, and the people who put the memos together DID NOT BREAK A LAW. They stated a legal opinion. So, now that's prosecuted in this country? f*** all you people who think that's ok (should it go that far). So what's the purpose of waterboarding if it's not torture?

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 12:13 PM) He was a US citizen. He was held in federal custody and was not part of an organized terrorist group whose main goal in life was to wipe out the United States. Not the same thing. You know for a fact that McVeigh planned to retire if he was never caught? Maybe he had bigger plans for a 2nd incident.

Let's not forget, one of the reasons Bush gave for going to war was that Saddam tortured people. So we had to torture people to justify a war where we tortured people so we could get somebody else to stop torturing people.

Well then torture it is! Sign me up.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 12:28 PM) What are the root causes and how would you address them? Right, sit and talk with them. :) :) Or, bow to a king of a foreign country to let them know that we need to bow down and kiss their ass. Or give a dictator a Cadillac as a gift even though he has thousands of nuclear missiles pointed at your country.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 12:24 PM) Too many. How many lives are you willing to sacrifice? Since the current number isn't really that big of a deal apparently. Yes, because otherwise we could just sit down with them over a nice cup of tea, talk about our differences and they would just stop. Torturing will not solve any problems just create more. Why not address the root causes of extremists hatred towards America? that would seem more beneficial and humane.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 12:20 PM) You don't know my belief system, except that I'm saying you do what you have to do in a time of war to protect thousands of lives. Why not just drop some nukes in pakistan and the rest of the middle east? It would prevent american deaths if all middle extremists were killed. Whatever it takes!

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 12:19 PM) I refuse to sell my soul as well. But I also refuse to bend over while there are people out there who are willing to actually do ANYTHING to get what they want, which is at our expense. How many people in U.S. history have died from terrorism on our soil? Torturing will only recruit more extremists to want to do more harm to us.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 12:16 PM) So you are trying to judge me on something you don't even believe in? Wow. Next question. Just pointing out the hypocrisy in your belief system.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 12:09 PM) How many American lives would you be willing to trade for the right to say "we do not waterboard in the United States"? 1? 50? 5,000? How would you feel if you lost someone you loved as a result of a terrorist attack on this country that could have been avoided if we were able to gain enough information to stop it ahead of time? I think the focus on preventing terrorism is a joke compared to health care. How many tens of thousands of people have died from cancer and other diseases in the past 10 years? How many Americans died from terrorist acts in the last 10 years?

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Apr 22, 2009 -> 12:06 PM) Riiiiiiiiiiiiight, because CLEARLY that's what happened. Whatever, straw man. You never answered my earlier question. What does your religion say about torture?