Bmr31

Youre doing nothing but making a fool of yourself. Nolay ryans 8-16 was matched with a below 3 era..........you guys are splitting hairs to try and disprove a point i never made. I said great pitchers dont start 2-10. Who cares how MB or any of the others finished? If you want to hold me to my SPECIFIC point, you must too. your point is bullls***. many great pitchers have been 8 (or more) down at a point in a season. Obviously. MB has rebounded from that in the same season - other highly regarded pitchers haven't which is why ended 8 (or more) down. How many seasons did Ryan lose 16 or more? Comparing ERAs across different eras in baseball is difficult because of many circumstances. Ryans 3.something era in that season wasn't that great, although it was good. You want to keep arguing - go on, that is what this forum provides, but you are arguing bulls*** nit picks to create something which I fail to understand. If your sole point is no other picther in human histrory ever started 2-10, I would say odds are there are a few. If you want to slam MB for that, go ahead. But then by your reasoning - and here, stick to specifics - if an 8 down start is so horrid, than a 8 down finish is pathetic and there should be a special category of losers hall of fame for everyone to be trashed who ever finished a season 8 down. Or... rex and I stating that all pitchers have slumps and being 8 down at some point or another is not the end of the world would allow us both to recognise the talent and quality of Ryan and MB and trash no one. Trash no one - could you handle that? ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm all i ever said was great pitchers dont start 2-10. YOU and REX are the ones attacking and nitpicking. Are you really this self absorbed, not to notice?

Youre doing nothing but making a fool of yourself. Nolay ryans 8-16 was matched with a below 3 era..........you guys are splitting hairs to try and disprove a point i never made. I said great pitchers dont start 2-10. Who cares how MB or any of the others finished? If you want to hold me to my SPECIFIC point, you must too. You're point is not only stupid but invalid. To take a sample size that small and make the judgement shows how little you know about the game. Your continuance to try to hold onto your point is idiotic. Whether a pitcher starts or finishes 8 games under 500, doesn't matter. So deeming one more important than the other is just dumb. Thats what 4? 5 personal attacks? My point is not only valid, but obvious, and yet to be unproven.

You've met the guy? I think thats kind of extreme, wanting a guy to be guilty, because youre not a fan. Oh well, to each their own.

MB isnt a rookie. Who do you think youre fooling? I challenge you to find a pitcher in the history of baseball(not 1st 2 seasons), who started 2-10 with a high 5 era and you can call a great pitcher. Go ahead, find one. Hell use their 1st 2 seasons, i bet you still cant find one. Sorry buddy, you can't change your argument. But just for fun, let's look...... Sandy Koufax was 7-13 with a 3.91 ERA (6th season) Phil Niekro was 12-18 with a 4.27 ERA (7th season) Steve Carlton was 10-19 with a 3.73 ERA (6th season) Each of these were in different times where 5 ER's didn't exist. Walter Johnson's 13-25 season was in his 3rd year. The bottom line is that great pitchers can have bad stretches or even years and for you to judge MB completely on his first 12 decisions of this year is idiotic. When did i change my arguement? Did any of those guys start 2-10? Also, Neikro was not a great pitcher.

There is no proof to find guys. Great pitchers dont start 2-10, and if they come close to that, its in their rookie season. MB is a good pitcher, a solid pitcher, he is and never will be a great pitcher.

Youre doing nothing but making a fool of yourself. Nolay ryans 8-16 was matched with a below 3 era..........you guys are splitting hairs to try and disprove a point i never made. I said great pitchers dont start 2-10. Who cares how MB or any of the others finished? If you want to hold me to my SPECIFIC point, you must too.

I also never asked for a pitchers record at the end of the season, so i guess those two things cancel out huh? Please find a great pitcher who started 2-10..........

MB isnt a rookie. Who do you think youre fooling? I challenge you to find a pitcher in the history of baseball(not 1st 2 seasons), who started 2-10 with a high 5 era and you can call a great pitcher. Go ahead, find one. Hell use their 1st 2 seasons, i bet you still cant find one.

Eh, who cares. Its just an overhyped exhibition game.

Read my post again. If he had a 2-10 start(in his prime), I sure dont remember it. I challenge you to show me he did....Just checked his career stats. Didnt happen. Worst season ever, he was 8-16 but had a 2.76 era. Yeah that was horrible.

I mean i know this board is lenient and all, but this is unacceptable to me.

I think WSC has some serious issues. I hope he remedies the situation.

Lets hope he is cleared of these charges. He is one great player and it sounds pretty serious.

I voted like 8 times....thats all youre getting from me.

Well i dont think youre overhyping really. I just think fans in general do that. I guess i just dont wanna see sox fans disappointed.

LOL no comment.

Nah i dont think so. Soxnet just has a bunch of members, who had posted over at WSI in the past.

I must be an idiot. People get heat stroke from overheating, which is caused through their skin. White people will overheat sooner. Nice try though.

People need to get over their issues, stop being so sensitive and judgmental, and get lives. Its that simple. I agree with your statements.

EXACTLY.

To the top of the rotation? Way less than 1 of 50 cant miss guys make it to the top of the rotation. There are only 30 some pitchers like that in the majors..........

NONE of those pitchers, other than biddle this season, are even average pitchers, based on results.

How do we find out who is leading?

I would say IF he is guilty i hope he goes to jail, why would you hope hes guilty?