Steff

This thread is making my head hurt..

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 02:48 PM) Steff, what happened in the past was not what they were instructed to deliberate on. The pattern was presented as evidence, but they were to consider it, not base their decision on it. In this case, the prosecution was flat out terrible, and based on the evidence presented in this case he gets to walk, and it's a damn shame. This trial wasn't based on the evidence of the past... it was allowed to be introduced only to establish the pattern, not to convict. I hate to say it, but the jury is right on this one. I understand that... however if they were to ignore the past - to show a pattern - then the 1108 NEVER should have been brought into play. If they had used it in any part of the logic he would have been convicted. I simply don't understand why it was allowed in if it was basically not to be used. Makes no sense.

Jurors think he molested before.. http://www.elitestv.com/pub/2005/Jun/EEN42b04b4f868d6.html What I was led to believe is that this is specifically why the 1108 was bought in to make them see he's a pedophile, show a pattern. Also, the morning after the verdict was delivered, Juror #1 told Nancy Grace that he did not believe the testimony of McCauley Culkin, Wade Robeson or Brett Barnes. He thought that all 3 had lied on the stand and that they been molested by MJ. IMO all future jurors should have to attend a half-day class before their trial begins. "Jury Duty 101" should include, among other things, the definitions of Hearsay Evidence, Circumstantial Evidence, and Reasonable Doubt. JMO anyway..

QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 02:24 PM) Only Jackson and that kid know what really happened, but regardless, the kid is the victim. If his allegations are true, he's the victim of Jackson. If they're false, he's a victim of his mother. Which is worse? I'd say being molested is worse..

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 01:57 PM) Didn't we do this already? Probably. Pardon me for violating the "no repeat threads" rule..

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QUOTE(Soxnbears01 @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 11:36 AM) you didn't invite brian to the game did you? We did actually.. he had to ump.

QUOTE(Beastly @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 11:34 AM) I knew it... Andy got us and the Wilkes last night..

QUOTE(shakes @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 11:23 AM) Sorry, he's a whack job.

"He also said she was blind, because the "vision centers of her brain were dead." That's a big deal there, correct? Since her folks went on and on and on about her looking at them, being able to recognize them, etc..

A little... ??

QUOTE(Soxnbears01 @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 11:15 AM) no.....he's having a teaparty with the catterpillar thing. Glow Worm.. ??

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 11:07 AM) There's no doubt about that. Many times, these lower ticket prices are soley responsible for the..um, how do you say...less-intelligent fans. However, I still believe selling UD tickets for five bucks a piece would be a very productive thing. Not only would it generate a buzz about wanting fans and welcoming fans to the ballpark, but it may actually increase payroll, renovations and such as that is money pumped directly in the Sox pocketbook. With that, however, the Sox may be labeled the "cheap" alternative in town and may suffer with that lower-calibur fan/trouble-maker. Still, it may be something to try in the future. I don't disagree with anything you've said here. I just don't see it happening any time soon. Sadly.. the bad outweigh the good at this point still, IMO anyway, and I don't think they will do anything more than they are for a while. As it is.. there really are a lot of promo's. We had a link up.. but I know WSI has the master promo code list on their site. There really are a lot.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 11:08 AM) I don't have the link but this was talked about a month ago. http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...=katie+brownell

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 11:01 AM) Steff, you make a great point, but I have one question in reply to that. Doesn't the USCF crew maintain that fans with UD tickets are restricted to the UD? If so, I believe that may weed out a lot of the unfavorable actions that come in response to these lower ticket prices. Overall, I think you would see a lot of fans upstairs purchasing concessions, making noise for their White Sox, and filling up a lot of blue (for now) empty seats. They do as it does.. but it never fails.. some get down. Some lie, cheat, and steal to get to the LD... :rolly Then there's the fighters.. Sadly that effs things up for the fans that really just want to go and enjoy the game.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 10:29 AM) The parents have some apologizing to do it sounds like... Also, did they find any evidence she could have possibily recovered? At the very least.. but they wont. I thought that there was no possibility of recovery since the cortex was liquified and would never "grow" back...

UDBox behind HP is mostly season ticket holders is it not..?? IIRC Ribbie's tickets are there so he would likely know. I think there's more of an issue with them trying to get downstairs and that's the worry.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 10:12 AM) With JR at the helm, though, it's a fanciful suggestion at best anyway. It's too bad he can convince those that make the pricing decisions to alter them..

QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 10:10 AM) Coffee can cause cramping? How exactly? Not just coffee.. any caffeine. Causes dehydration which can cause muscle cramping.

QUOTE(mreye @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 09:57 AM) I think I'm a "good fan" and I would be able to go to 10+ games instead of IMO, they should offer more of a discount to those willing to buy games up front. The commitment, IMO, should be rewarded more.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 09:54 AM) I got one more word for this story............... Idiot. Agree.

QUOTE(mreye @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 09:53 AM) Seriously, why couldn't the Sox sell upper deck seats for $5 a piece? Cheapening the product doesn't attract "good fans", IMO.

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QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 09:31 AM) I'm not going tonight...I am going friday and saturday...and I am scared I'm out of town for the weekend so I don't want to miss these.

QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 09:28 AM) I've been to the last two...I think I should retire. Apparently they don't like when I come out. Tell me about it.. I'm stressing about going tonight.