Steff

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 02:57 PM) Yes, the form said $25 for UD Box, and I think $21 for UD reserved. I checked off the UD Box which on the bad form was $25, but I think over $30 in reality. I am not pissed at the form being wrong. What makes me mad is this guy charged me more than I authorized for worse seats than I authorized. A simple call would have straightened it all out. When I called back to correct the problem, I was told there were no more available and my only recourse was returning what I had for a full refund. That was what 4 months ago. Now people are buying them 8 at a time. $32 for Friday, $28 for Sat and Sunday. Were you not offered 8 initially..? We were offered 8 for each day.

Andrea at Sox Charities claims the $$'s going to charity. I told her it might be a good idea if the web site reflects that..

FYI.. the tickets are $28.. not $25. The form was wrong.

Thanks John.. I couldn't recall the Urbina details.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 01:51 PM) Perhaps the greatest feat I pulled off last Christmas was convincing my wife that when I was buying this self-contained classics video game console (Pac Man, Galaxian, Dig Dug and a couple more on in), that it was for my kid and not for me. Since then me and the boy have become video game buddies, and he begs Mom to get each new classics console when they come out - that way I don't have to do it! lol.. we have that also

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 02:20 PM) See? (wondering where steff is...) LMAO.. right here.. This cracks me up... Movie stars should not be roll models and parents and adults who think they are are idiots. By the way.. Mr. Ledbetter.. normal people marry, divorce, and sleep around also.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 02:12 PM) Your answer was the GM, and that Ozzie just manages right? You said that is came from the horses mouth, I assumed you werent talking about a real horse. FWIW, your opinion looked to me like the GM makes all of the calls, makeup, players, philosophy, and Ozzie just manages what he is given. If that is your opinion, then yeah I disagree. But then you agreed with Jim, which was what I believed. Am I wrong? A bit, yea..

QUOTE(JimH @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 02:07 PM) My best guess is there were gobs of teams at the very least interested in Ivan Rodriguez. White Sox included. Then there's that little issue of amount of salary required and an agent to deal with ... I'm so not going to get into this.. mainly because no one will believe me.. but Mikster from WSI was there in Detroit as the story of how Pudge could have been on the Sox.. and it was not a $ issue. The same with Urbina..

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 02:04 PM) No need to curse steff....jeez. This is the quote that I read, it was on my screen. My comment was the Ozzie had some input on the makeup of the team. This was your answer. To me it looks like Ozzie just manages and KW puts together the team. If you agree with what Jim said, thats exactly what I was saying, so you agree with me. So im not sure why the argument ensued. No. that wasn't your comment.. This was your comment/question.... "QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 12:44 PM) No kidding he has no input on final decisions, but where do you think the idea for the makeup of the team came from?" I'm not Kenny, or Ozzie, or Jerry... so everything I post here is my opinion. Looks like the "argument" started when you didn't like my opinion of the way I think things are done.

QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 01:54 PM) I bet the season ticket holders wanted to pay just face value for any left overs and the Sox weren't feeling it. Are you sure the money goes to charity? No.. and I didn't say I was sure it did. Season ticket holders were given THREE months notice of when they had to get their orders in... 2 letters and several emails.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 01:56 PM) Here is what I believe to be the modus operendi at 35th and Shields, based on things I've read and heard from Reinsdorf, Williams, and Guillen. --------------------------------- They meet off site at year end, this past year it was in Las Vegas. KW and Ozzie and the coaches and probably Reinsdorf too get in a room for 2-3 days and talk about what went wrong, what went right, and which way everyone wants to go. Part of that discussion is where the team needs to improve, i.e. at what specific positions. At that point they may begin tossing around names ... guys KW thinks will fit, that Ozzie thinks will fit, that the coaches think will fit. They hash it all out and attempt to come to some sort of agreement on direction. It then becomes KW's job to determine if certain guys can be traded and if certain guys can be acquired. I believe Ozzie's influence ends at this point, unless there's an element of recruiting that's involved, i.e. a free agent. And then things either get done, or they don't. --------------------------------- One good example is with Pablo Ozuna. Williams and Guillen both said in Tucson that KW got a good report on Ozuna from the pro scouts, KW thought he might be able to compete for a bench job. KW called Ozzie in the winter and said "hey, we're thinking of bringing this guy in for spring training, what do you think?" and Ozzie concurred it was a good idea. Then KW did it. In this case, KW's idea, consults with Ozzie who may have known Pablo from the Marlins organization, and everyone thought it was a good idea. KW makes the final call. Edit: oops, I should have said that KW told me this about Ozuna personally, I was fortunate enough to sit right behind him and Reinsdorf/Hahn/Dennis Gilbert at the 3/9 game vs. the Padres in Peoria AZ. I definitely agree with this.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 01:54 PM) Ah yes, the old, I know this person post, my fav. By the way, I go drinking with...wait that has nothing to do with the issue. Yes, your dislike for Ozzie. I could look up your posts, but I remember very clearly your bashing of Ozzie especially with his comments in the papers. Fact is, Ozzie's vision for the club and his experience on a World Series Championship team, led to the re-make of this power hitting club. Bar none, thats thr truth. I know you like to get in the last word on every issue, so I will let you. But you said all he does is manage what KW gives him, I say he has input on the direction of the team. Sure it has to do with the issue.. don't tell me I dislike someone when it's not true. If you're going to tell a lie on me make it something a bit harder to shoot holes in. Please.. go look. I dislike Ozzie's flappy gums. You won't find anywhere where I'd s*** on him further than telling him to shut up. I agreed he has imput.. just not as much as Jim indicated he might. Why don't you just read what's on the screen instead of embellishing and telling me I said s*** when I didn't.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 01:48 PM) And dont let your dislike for Ozzie cloud your vision on this issue. If we didnt have Ozzie and hired someone else, we wouldnt have a team like this, and we probably wouldnt be this good. My dislike of Ozzie...? Uhhh.... I don't dislike Ozzie or his family one bit. I especially like Jr a lot.. he's a riot to go out drinking with.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 01:47 PM) Urbina was on the Tigers. Did you think they were going to trade him to us? BEFORE he was on the Tigers...

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 01:40 PM) Check out post 27 Steff. I said Ozzie had input on the makeup of the team, which means how the team's philosophy is structured and the type of players needed. You replied that he just manages and the GM makes those calls. You asked me a question.. I gave you what I think is the answer. Where did I claim that Ozzie has nothing to do with anything and Kenny did everything on his own..? Don't look.. cause I didn't.

QUOTE(easyw @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 01:36 PM) how may times do I have to say it? I HAVE ONE TICKET FOR FACE IF ANYONE WANTS IT. BLEACHERS SECTION 160 ROW 7. You don't have to yell..

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 01:36 PM) You are implying that KW went out and changed the team, and picked up players in the offseason all because he himself came up with the idea, and he figured out what players to get. And Ozzie had no input on what direction the team is going, what the nature of the team should be, and how they were going to change to fit that mold. Ozzie just happened to be the manager who fell into the team that he was given. Thats ridiculous and untrue. And the information came from Kenny, so it is untrue. No.. that's not what I said or implied. Jim got exactly what I said without putting words in my mouth. Maybe try that..

QUOTE(Queen Prawn @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 12:51 PM) They need to let this go. Or at least keep it out of the press.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 01:21 PM) Because its just not the truth, your "insider information" doesnt hold water in this conversation, because its just not the case. And where did you obtain the information that it's not the truth..? It doesn't hold water..? So you think Ozzie walks into Kenny's office and says "Get Tom, Dick, and Harry.. " and he does it.. ? LMAO Good stuff..

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 12:59 PM) When I got this emailed to me from chisox.com, I assumed the money was going to White Sox Charities, but it sure doesn't seem like it looking at that page. I guess this is the way Cub fans are used to buying tickets and maybe this is just the Sox org's way of making them feel right at home. I'm sure it'll get called out and I would bet high that the additional funds are going to the charities. One thing they can not afford is to be linked to scalping. I know that a lot of ST holders are pissed about this though.. a lot who were told they had passed the deadline to order additional tickets (which they did) feel that they should be offered these first before the public.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 12:56 PM) Yeah that makes sense, Ozzie comes here, says he wants to play a different kind of ball, and KW gives him a team that works with his wants. Yeah, looks like Ozzie had nothing to do with that. You asked me a question and I gave you an answer based on answers to specific questions I have asked from the horse himself.. Don't like my answers.. oh well.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 12:44 PM) No kidding he has no input on final decisions, but where do you think the idea for the makeup of the team came from? The GM. The manager manages what he is given. End of story.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 12:21 PM) I stand by what I stated. Ozzie has significant input, but he is not the boss, hence the two different titles. I knew that Ozzie would want Urbina for two main reasons, he knows him extremely well and felt he could help the bullpen. Two problems, trading within the division, plus the Sox had no one like Polanco to give up. Ozzie wanted him last year.. and was told no. Ozzie also wanted Pudge BEFORE he signed with Detroit.. going so far as to flying him to Chicago to meet with Kenny.. Kenny said no. Ozzie doesn't have squat to do with the final decisions made.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 12:19 PM) well im sure the payroll had something to do with that as well. But whatev There's plenty of $$ right now.. plenty.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jun 16, 2005 -> 12:13 PM) It means a lot more than you think, Guillen has a big say so on acquisitions and ideas. It means less than you think. Ozzie can talk all he wants.. if Kenny don't like them, they aint coming here. Perfect example.. Urbina. Ozzie wanted him, Kenny didn't.