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QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 10:23 AM) Looks like a 3 team trade, Cards get EJAX, Toronto gets Rasmus, we ger Frasor. Beatnik tweeting: SOX ARE NOT trading John Danks. Bolded is your opinion, or do you have that from somewhere?

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 10:22 AM) People are saying that De Aza was called up because this trade is done. If the Sox were going to call up anyone it would be a pen arm for 1 day and then send him down to bring up De Aza. The Sox arent trading any OF's there is absolutely no need to call up De Aza if its for this deal. It would be an arm that would be most important. They are trading Teahen, that is De Aza's roster spot. Teahen played some RF. And there isn't a giant need for a backup 3B when Omar is still on the team and can do it.

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 09:44 AM) Haha, interesting: SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman #dbacks talking to blue jays about jason frasor. Could happen. This could maybe indicate there is a 3-way deal, or a conditional 2 trades, in the works.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 09:42 AM) Fathom looks like your 10:43 a.m. time guess will be pretty close. If we don't get a legit prospect or two, I am seriously boycotting White Sox baseball. QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 09:43 AM) This is one trade in which I will hate Kenny for off the bat and disagree with right away. I think it's an awful move considering starting pitching is a premium and the big spenders want it. Simply godawful trade. I guess they weren't lying when they wanted to cut payroll which I really can't blame them. BTW, thread starter hit it on the head. Kudos. I think I will wait until we know the actual trade details for sure, like who the minor leaguer(s) is/are, before jumping off a cliff. Also, let's see what else KW is doing here. But if the trade is in a vacuum, and the prospect is worth nothing... then yeah, that's garbage.

OK, taking bets... which is KW doing here? White flagging, or wheeling part of another deal to be all-in? Either way, more trades be comin'.

Value-wise, depending on the minor leaguer and any potential money movement, this is not crazy out of whack. But I REALLY don't get the push for a RH reliever right now being a priority. By itself, this move makes no sense for the Sox to me, when the bullpen is just not a major concern for the team. So I have to think one of these two things must be true, if this trade is really happening: 1. KW is white-flagging for 2011 and shedding salary, in which case more trades are coming or 2. This is part of a complex of deals, where the money freed up and the prospect gained are used to acquire someone else to make the team better One of those just has to be true.

I still think last week's proposal from the Gang of Six, that Obama favored as well, made the most sense... $4T in deficit reduction, large domestic AND military cuts, some medicare cuts, remove Bush tax cuts for top brackets, remove a bunch of specific tax breaks in exchange for lowering overall business and personal income taxes.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 02:31 PM) analogies to personal finance don't really work. Aren't really perfect? True. Don't work at all? I disagree. I wasn't going for the perfect analogy, just a simple one. But you guys go right on ignoring the entire risk piece of the investment picture, and the Republicans go right on ignoring the investment reward part.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 02:27 PM) Relative to the inflation rate...the yield on the 5 year T-bill is negative right now and has been for the better part of a year. If there are any things that the government would be spending money on, any construction projects, anything, it could actually save money by starting that project now rather than 5 years from now. The interest rate compared to even low-level 5 year inflation projections is negative. If we start something in 5 years, it will cost $100, if we start it now, we'll pay $95 (in constant dollars). I agree. But again, see my post above.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 02:00 PM) incredibly low interest rates Again, yeah, great time for that, if you have the money. If you have maxed out your credit card, but the rate on getting another credit card is insanely low, and you think you can invest some money smartly... sure, it is tempting. It should be. But do you just entirely dismiss that at some point, if you run up so much debt, the risk is too high? No investment, infrastructure or otherwise, is without risk. You are failing to see that side of it.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 01:34 PM) You know what would really help the deficit? Increasing revenues and decreasing outlays on safety net spending by focusing on jobs. It'd be a particularly good time to invest heavily in infrastructure repairs and upgrades, what with incredibly low interest rates. There's not even any private sector spending to crowd out right now, either! That would be great, if we had the money. I suppose if you just threw in the towel immediately on Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya today, you might start to get some of that flexibility back in a year or two.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 01:31 PM) Yes. I fully accept this logic. Virtually that exact statement has been written dozens of times since 2008, and still, "U.S. paper" has run well under the inflation target. Banks like JPM have lost billions betting you were right. Inflation is no threat until there is upward pressure on wages (unless we default). That won't happen with 9% unemployment. Every cut we make right now is a job that is cut, is a taxpayer that goes from paying taxes to collecting unemployment and Medicaid, and might well have virtually no impact on the deficit. I just think you are dangerously wrong here. And so are the idiots saying CUT 15 TRILLION AND CUT TAXES IN HALF NOW!!!

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 01:30 PM) Even ss2k5's said now's not the time for large austerity measures. What happens when the extremes both agree?! FWIW I don't see any economists embracing this middle-of-the-road plan. You've either got guys like Krugman calling for a huge stimulus plan instead or conservative economists calling for even larger tax cuts. And I think those are both stupid ideas. Burying us in more debt is a horrible idea of the long term, we need to start making dents in the deficit, then the debt, ASAP for many reasons. And even larger tax cuts is equally idiotic.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 01:24 PM) Really? I swear some days I live on another planet. That read is just dripping with agenda. Obviously so. Who cares if it is right or not. I honestly can't even tell who you are saying is being exploitative here, or why.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 01:09 PM) Do people really accept this logic? Honestly? It seems like such a complete and total copout to me. I read it as saying "I can't be troubled to learn the logic of either side or both sides, so I'm just going to point at the one that sounds like they're in the middle of the 2 sides" Not only does it leave you open to having your own politics totally shifted because of either side shifting towards their extremes, but IMO, it also leaves you unprepared to evaluate proposals critically. LOL, OK. You go right on believing that EITHER extreme is worth listening to in this case. You can believe that we shouldn't cut any spending at all if you want to, because of the delicate economy - and then see what happens to US paper. Or if you were on the other side, you can go right on fantasizing about miraculously creating growth by cutting government discretionary spending to the bone. Does anyone really accep that logic?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 01:00 PM) The spinning of this for political gain. Wait, what? By whom? I see no US politicians trying to gain anything from this. Show me one.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 12:45 PM) So, NSS, tell me how Obama getting out of the way is a bad thing. As of today, Congress is in agreement for a short term increase (with matching cuts) with the promise to form a bipartisan committee to decide how to obtain 3-4 trillion in cuts within the next 5-6 months. Obama said no. Why? Because he doesn't want this to become an election issue. So, even the moronic Democrats in the Senate understand how important this issue is, but Obama is making it about politics and campaign issues. Because... 1. Congress is acting like a bunch of children, there IS NO "agreement in Congress" for anything more than a few months' extension, and as SS2K5 and I both like to point out, kicking the can down the road does no good. Obama agrees. 2. Among Congress and the PResidency, as far as I can tell, Obama is the only one trying to do anything sane here. I think it is fascinating that centrists and moderates seem to agree that Obama is the sane one, while the people deeply on one side or the other are saying it's all Obama's fault (but for different reasons - Dems because Obama is giving away lots of cuts, GOP because he wants to raise revenues). That tells me Obama is the one to follow here.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 12:21 PM) Exploitation? How so? He said he wants the trial as his place for marketing.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 10:18 AM) So is there a BBC version that might be more reliable? Yeah, I am still seeing the Max 20/21 thing reported in the regular sources. Could be bad journalism, or not, can't tell. They need a path for this in the system.

Seems resonable, but I think long run, we're better off with Peavy in the pen for the remainder of this season.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2011 -> 08:23 AM) Good luck fixing this guy. That's the problem. I see no issue with Norway, who has low violent crime rates anyway, using a rehabilitative approach... but there needs to be some path left open for the rare case of someone like this. They need to be able to put him away permanently, even if they don't believe in the death penalty.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 12:43 PM) Not really. The Dems have yet to put any proposal on the table. They TALK about them, but nothing has ever been presented. This is a joke, right? Obama (not the Congressional Dems) has tried a bunch of ideas, and the GOP just says "no new revenue!" and leaves the table. Now the Congressional Dems, yeah, they have done very little, I'll agree with you there.

Ax it.

My obscure AAP pick-up, 38th rd pick Keegan Linza, has been dealing in Bristol as their setup man: 11 IP, 10 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 12 K. Apparently he likes to throw strikes.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 04:22 PM) Wait, 1 for last 22 with 11 strike outs is nothing "hitting well lately". Virtually every scout that's seen him this year is very worried about him. I still don't get the whole injury angle either. Yes, I could see his speed being negated due to it, but you can't blame all this striking out solely on him missing a year. Strike outs were an issue with him coming into last season as well. I still have slight hope for him, but at this point, projecting him as ever being a MLB quality player is an extreme longshot. Thank you - someone willing to say something useful. I too am worried about his progress, but he went on a little hot streak until a week ago. Now he's back in the dumps. I wasn't saying he was the next great thing - I was saying I find it hilarious when someone dives into a topic and delivers nothing but garbage. QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 04:25 PM) He has played awful, and not up to the level of a 23rd overall pick, injury or not. Does he have time to get it together over the next 2 years? Yes, but he'll be 24-25 years old at that point, and probably won't be anything special. So we have to hope Keenyn Walker is the new OF/leadoff hope over the next few years. I guess I kind of saw this year as a loss with Mitchell anyway - an already very raw player who missed a year of development. He's certainly not playing at the level of a 23rd pick, no argument there. I think his chances of making it to the majors as a starter were already somewhat low, he was intended to be a high-risk, high-reward pick even before the injury. Now those chances go down even further. But I also think it isn't nearly time to write him off. If he looks like this next year too, then yeah, its time he becomes nothing more than a lottery ticket. For a raw guy who missed a year to injury, I could care less if he's (for example) in AA at 24 vs 22.