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QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Feb 21, 2016 -> 06:56 PM) Hahn? Well I hope he turns out ok and helps us. We need it. Somebody...

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Feb 21, 2016 -> 12:11 PM) So I really haven't seen much else said about the fluid on the knee from other writers. Only place it's come up is daily Herald. Not sure how much I can buy into this The Chicago media crew is worthless when it comes to reporting stuff like this. If the team didn't tell them to report it, they probably won't.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Feb 20, 2016 -> 12:04 PM) I'm still under the impression that he signed here for far less than what his offers were elsewhere? Supposedly he had an offer for $3 million + $6 million in incentives elsewhere.

QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Feb 20, 2016 -> 12:14 PM) But he's our asshole! Anyone else slightly concerned about the Sox rotation depth? Beck is coming back from ulnar nerve transposition offseason surgery (I have no clue if that's serious or not) and now Latos is possibly going to miss opening day. Other than Johnson, the Sox rotation depth looks absolutely terrible. Are Carroll, Turley, Haviland, and Sherik really the options they are left with? You can't count on guys like Danish or Guerrero because they most likely not ready yet (especially Danish). Jacob Turner will be fighting with Erik Johnson if that 5th starter spot opens up.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Feb 20, 2016 -> 11:18 AM) Ya this makes much more sense than "he's such an asshole that no one wanted him." I don't say this very often, but you are exactly right.

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2016021...orts/160218618/

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Feb 20, 2016 -> 08:53 AM) Again I clearly said that the trade was a woeful overpay. Interesting you mention the comparative farm system rankings. In 2015, Law ranked Arizona 14, and now they are 24. In 2015, Law ranked Sox 12, and now they are 22. (yes, #1 prospect promoted; but Arizona made other stupid movies beyond the Miller trade, like giving away #4 prospect to braves in mid-season) The Sox got a 35 homer 3B and a starting 2B to raid their farm system, plus graduated their #1 prospect to the front of their rotation.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Feb 18, 2016 -> 04:59 PM) Carl Crawford. I'd rather have Avi out there. And if Crawford a White Sox, odds are pretty high that Avi would be out there a lot anyway.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 18, 2016 -> 05:47 PM) Yea, let's call it the Juan Gonzalez game and say he turned down what was then the highest contract in the league and never sniffed it again. Cespedes isn't a lock for a repeat of last season And Juan Gonzalez even had a history of being that good.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 18, 2016 -> 05:28 PM) Ok, I've got to ask this because I think I've read this from you several times. Here are 2 scenarios: "The White Sox sell Frazier and one of their pitchers and actually decide to rebuild next offseason" "The White Sox realize their payroll is $15 million less, have $15 million to play with, and pump it all into one more season saying this will be the year!!!!!". They then pay a high price, as in the previous 2 years, to bring in 1-2 players that fill whatever hole they're filling that offseason (RF?). Can you honestly tell me you have any reason whatsoever to believe the White Sox will do anything other than try to be a buyer in a seller's market? Have they done anything to convince you that they'd actually sell under any circumstances other than "in the middle of a 65 win season"? I've seen absolutely nothing from this franchise that suggests they won't convince themselves they're 1 player away next offseason regardless of whether they win 68 or 88 games this year. I just wonder what you are going to do to fill all of your free time during baseball season this year.

QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 18, 2016 -> 04:57 PM) It does matter. Because we were negotiating for a free agent who is allowed to choose the best offer. If we aren't prepared to give the best offer, we shouldn't rely on free agency to fill all of our holes every year. It tends to require money. that is a completely different thing, and nothing like being used.

Comcast SportsNet ‏@CSNChicago 6m6 minutes ago Gar Forman: #Bulls were active going into deadline, but 'nothing made sense' http://bit.ly/211J5iD

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Feb 18, 2016 -> 04:45 PM) Was't it reported that both Gordon & Cespedes turned down larger offers (not necessarily from the White Sox)?? We know Cespedes had a 5 year $100 million offer from Washington which included deferred money and opt outs of some sort.

QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 18, 2016 -> 04:40 PM) Well, I disagree. The White Sox had a chance to exceed that offer and did not, and I've seen nothing that indicates our offer was better than Kansas City. I am sure Gordon did want to stay in KC, but offering him a better deal to play with you (your "could help it" scenario) I am confident would have swayed him. Our final offer didn't have to be better. All we had to do was force another team to improve their offer or offers. It doesn't matter how much our final offer was for. If Gordon was only interested in our offers to improve his KC offer, we were being used.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 17, 2016 -> 03:38 PM) Danish has one year of unimpressive results. That plus the stories about his velocity being more in the Mark Buehrle range.

QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 18, 2016 -> 03:43 PM) This whole "used as leverage" thing I think is weak rationalizing. If we knew the sox truly offered more, then they were used as leverage. If we were just offering "deals" that were comparable or less than what they received, than they chose us because we didn't offer the best deal, not because we were used. If Sox offered 3/90 for Cespedes, he would have signed here. If we offered 4/90 for Gordon (what we all thought he'd get pre-offseason), you'd have Gordon in LF. But just because they went back to their teams does not mean that their FA was an illusion like Lebron to MIA. Not really. If KC was only offering 3/50 at that point, but the White Sox offer came in and forced them to go higher, plus Gordon never really had interest in going where but KC if he could help it, then that is the textbook definition of leverage.

I would have never guessed this. ESPN Stats & Info ‏@ESPNStatsInfo 6m6 minutes ago The Bulls have lost their last 4 gms. They are the only team in the NBA without a 5-game losing streak in the last 6 seasons (@EliasSports) 17 retweets 15 likes

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Feb 18, 2016 -> 03:48 PM) That might be an easier conversation to have than trying to explain how this team is going to compete with Avisail Garcia as it's starting rightfielder. Not really. The bottom line is to put out $30 or $40 million as a "last piece" kind of signing, you had better be able to tell your bosses that it would make the difference.

Vincent Goodwill ‏@vgoodwill 8m8 minutes ago Gar: "There’s no panic in what we’re doing. We’ve had a nice level of success for a long time. We won’t panic through this rough time."

QUOTE (Dunt @ Feb 18, 2016 -> 02:46 PM) Really makes you wonder if they ever even had a plan honestly. I mean, KW sure made it sound like Hahn wasnt prepared earlier this offseason. I have no idea what this FO is doing anymore, and it's really tough to rationalize why I continue to give them so much of my time and energy. I wish the Bears were good so I didnt need to agonize over the Sox all winter. Theo Epstein almost used the exact same words about his front office a week after Kenny Williams did. Again, that statement was read into by fans for way more than what was really being said.

On the bright side, if John Paxson and/or Gar Foreman end up dead, we'll know who did it.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 18, 2016 -> 02:26 PM) Memphis Stevenson and Randolph is a level of crazy that could run ISIS out of Syria.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Feb 18, 2016 -> 02:24 PM) Absolutely. I think Gasol leaves in the offseason and someone gives him like 3/60. Hopefully not the Bulls. I have no doubt someone will overpay Gasol in the off season.

QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 18, 2016 -> 02:22 PM) They've missed on so many rumored outfield targets that it's hard to comprehend what their actual plan was out there. If they were going to keep Avi in RF all along, then Hahn messed up big time with his comments on the Score after the Frazier trade. I have no doubt they wanted an OF. Who knows what the plan or hope was. I would love to hear that. I would love to hear the details of the big discussions were like for the winter. Was selling off a real option at any point? Did they know their limitations and still buy? Did they expect another deal to happen for an OF that did not?

QUOTE (buhbuhburrrrlz @ Feb 18, 2016 -> 02:06 PM) Hinrich to Hawks for 2nd round pick And there was much rejoicing.