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Video #1 - Coulter Video #2 - OReilly This is Par for the course at Fox...

These Gerneals are saying this thing can be won. With big changes...I say lets win this thing already...but make the damn changes!

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Oct 2, 2006 -> 07:01 AM) If you really want to protect against being fed the same crap during the election cycle, this bill doesn't matter. If you really want to change things, get rid of private funding for races. Set it up so the government gives a base amount for an election cycle of a particular race, and type of office. After you have spent that amount, you are done. That way the race becomes about message and debate, instead of who can raise and spend the most money. Bingo....

QUOTE(jasonxctf @ Oct 3, 2006 -> 12:24 PM) because its no ones fault that it happened. no one, clinton/bush, etc imagined that this could possibly happen. but for Rice to deny that she had any intelligence or warnings about this, when she really did, is BS Yes, I think it is BS too. Doesn't your statement contradict itself? If she knew, then how could she not have imagined? IF she knew… QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 3, 2006 -> 02:01 PM) So, it appears I have to correct what I said yesterday. Today the 9/11 commission is mentionning that they knew about this meeting, but they did not include any account of it in their final report. The commission has now admitted not only that they knew about it, but that they received a detailed report about it from Mr. Tenet. So this of course begs the question...if they knew about it, why was it not in the final report? (link). And that also begs the question...what else are they hiding? Hmmm... the Conspiracy thickens....and now a few words from the PNAC document.....lol

QUOTE(Texsox @ Oct 2, 2006 -> 06:41 AM) I feel the need to point out that the two major political parties have tried to make this a Coke vs. Pepsi world. To blindly boo or cheer based on team uniforms is a grave disservice to America. The first party faithfulls to clean up their party will be in power a long time, but both are afraid. Dems have to clean up Dems and GOPs need to clean up GOPs. Well said Texsox....

QUOTE(jasonxctf @ Oct 2, 2006 -> 06:40 PM) not blaming her or the administration for 9/11 Why do you lead off with this?

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Oct 1, 2006 -> 07:21 AM) blah blah "This is a timeline" blah blah If there were a "timeline" NOT supporting your stance, you would never have posted it. Give it a rest. It's bulls***. Well, I can tell by your responce where you stand. You hold NO one accountable (and you probably didn't watch it either). If there were a timeline that was counter to this, it would not be nesessary to post as the media has already done its job, as they have not in this case. This only puts together the reports "you know"... "connects the dots" as no MSM outlet has done. What you should be asking is WHY? That is the job of the media, to inform the public no matter which way it swings. BTW...I am an Independant. I hold all parties accountable. Not Just the Republicans. That is why I think we need to stop this stupid 2 party system we have. All that happens is the power switches with no improvements for the people. Everything stays status quo. Also, did you know Congress is Proposing an amendment to repeal the 22nd amendment to the Constitution. The official title of the bill is "Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the 22nd amendment to the Constitution". That is by Both parties. It is outrageous what is happening to our Constitution these last 5 years.

http://vestigialconscience.com/iraq092506_dems2.rm Three retired U.S. Army Officers address a congressional committee on the war in Iraq in starkly harsh words Monday. "I believe that Secretary Rumsfeld and others in the administration did not tell the American people the truth for fear of losing support for the war in Iraq," retired Maj. Gen. John R. S. Batiste told a forum conducted by Senate Democrats. A second military leader, also a retired two-star general, Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton, assessed Rumsfeld as "incompetent strategically, operationally and tactically." A third officer, retired Col. Paul X. Hammes, joined Batiste and Eaton in testimony before the Democratic Policy Committee of the U.S. Senate. Looks like everything about Iraq is FUBAR

There is a bill right now making its way through House committees to be judged on whether or not it should go to the floor of the entire House of Representatives..... The official title of the bill is "Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the 22nd amendment to the Constitution" . Here is the 22nd Amendment in its entirety: Amendment XXII - Presidential Term Limits. Ratified 2/27/1951. History 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President, when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission to the States by the Congress. This bill was introduced to the House committees February 17, 2005... The last action performed on the bill was April 4, 2005 when it was referred to the Subcommittee on the Constitution. Our elected officials are changing the very document that is the law of the land, which protects us while at the same time limiting them! Call your representatives Here on H.J. Resolution 24... If they support the bill, they are not keeping their sworn pledge to protect and uphold the Constitution of the United States.

QUOTE(jasonxctf @ Sep 22, 2006 -> 06:29 PM) 20 mins into this video, I can say its a very good watch. You seem to be the only one...as all the others are talking about Conspiracy...this is a timeline...all main stream media. Some people do not want to be informed..oh well

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Sep 22, 2006 -> 07:39 AM) All theories to the contrary have been soundly refuted. Theories is not the issue, the issue is the unanswered questions. When you have so many Senior Military, Intelligence, and Government Critics of 9/11 Commission Report. Something is wrong.

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Sep 19, 2006 -> 01:19 PM) There IS NO 9-11 CONSPIRACY!!!! THE GOVERNMENT DIDN'T DYNAMITE THE TWIN TOWERS THE PENTAGON WAS HIT BY A PLANE NOT A MISSILE THE AIR FORCE DID NOT TAKE DOWN FLIGHT 93 That is all. Why is it so hard for some people to accept these facts? I do not see where either you or the post above you addressed my post. It is evident that neither of you watched the movie in the post. It is a strict timeline of what was said, when it was said and evidence of knowledge to refute the administrations denial of said knowledge.

QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Sep 15, 2006 -> 12:48 AM) I don't know, watch the debate between the loose change kinds and the popular mechanics debunkers and it seems to me that the kids are smart but really just snots. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9...mp;hl=undefined I think that was frustration from PM quickly descended into name-calling and innuendo that was meant to character assassinate rather than debate facts. Words like "holocaust deniers," "JFK conspiricists," were used to charge the producers of Loose Change with the old tin foil hat smear. However, that is not the debate I want to see. I want to see this one http://www.teamliberty.net/, but so far there is only 1 taker for the Government position. Makes you wonder if their position is so solid, why they do not put this to an end already. Also, I found this interview of Davin Coburn, Popular Mechanics editor and researcher to be far more interesting.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 13, 2006 -> 03:57 PM) Is this another idiotic conspiracy theory? No, it is a timeline only

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Sep 13, 2006 -> 12:57 PM) I will never buy that it was a full government conspiracy, however I also will never buy that we had no idea it was coming, and it's still inexcuseable that the "greatest country ever" could let something that catastrophic happen on it's own soil. This film put much of what happened into persective for me...sorta flatten out my tin hat...lol...it breaks it down into what you describe whitesoxfan101.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Sep 13, 2006 -> 12:27 PM) So if anyone rebuts any of this stuff, are you going to ignore it again? It gets boring torching your sources if you won't even stand up for them. Hey southsider2k5...Did ya watch it? I do not see anything to rebut about on this film as it is a timeline of reported facts in the MSM. If you do, I'll give my opinion....

Thought some of you may want to watch this when you get a chance...it is not a kooky movie...but a timeline of what happened...all from news sources. The Most Important Movie of Our Time 9-11 Press For Truth The Story We felt the country was at risk from terrorists and from incompetenceand maybe worse. Lorie Van Auken, September 11th Widow Following the attacks of September 11th, a small group of grieving families waged a tenacious battle against those who sought to bury the truth about the eventincluding, to their amazement, President Bush. In 9/11 PRESS FOR TRUTH, six of them, including three of the famous Jersey Girls, tell for the first time the powerful story of how they took on the greatest powers in Washingtonand won!compelling an investigation, only to subsequently watch the 9/11 Commission fail in answering most of their questions. Adapting Paul Thompsons definitive Complete 9/11 Timeline (published by HarperCollins as The Terror Timeline), the filmmakers collaborate with documentary veterans Globalvision (WMD: Weapons of Mass Deception, Beyond JFK) to stitch together rare overlooked news clips, buried stories, and government press conferences, revealing a pattern of official lies, deception and spin. As a result, a very different picture of 9/11 emerges, one that raises new and more pressing questions. What actions were taken by top government officials who received dozens of specific warnings before the attack? Was Osama Bin Laden and his top al Qaeda leadership allowed to escape U.S. forces in Afghanistan? And what has been the reason for the deliberate obscuring of evidence for state sponsorship? Perhaps the most important one of all: Why, five years later, are so many of the families questions still unanswered? The 9/11 Families Although independent investigations began within weeks of both Pearl Harbor and the Kennedy assassination, the same was not true of the attacks of September 11th. Most are unaware that formation of the 9/11 Commission was strongly opposed by many in Washington, including the Bush administration. It was only due to pressure from the 9/11 families, led by a particular twelve calling themselves the Family Steering Committee, that, fourteen months after the attacks, the first hearing finally began. These twelve remained active in monitoring the Commission investigation, providing a list of hundreds of specific, well-researched questions to the Commissioners. In the end, the Final Report failed to answer seventy percent of them. 9/11 PRESS FOR TRUTH: Five of the most prominent members of the Family Steering Committee tell their story for the first time, providing the most powerful argument yet for why 9/11 still needs investigation. Lorie Van Auken One of the four famous Jersey Girls, Lorie is the widow of Kenneth Van Auken, 47, who worked for Cantor Fitzgerald on the 105th floor of WTC Tower One. She served as a member of the Family Steering Committee for the 9/11 Commission, and with fellow widows Mindy Kleinberg, Patty Cazassa, Kristen Breitweiser, and Monica Gabrielle runs September 11th Advocates. She continues raising her children in east New Jersey. Mindy Kleinberg Another of the famous Jersey Girls, Mindy is the widow of Alan Kleinberg, 39, who worked for Cantor Fitzgerald on the 104th floor of WTC Tower One. She served as a member of the Family Steering Committee for the 9/11 Commission, and with fellow widows Lorie Van Auken, Patty Cazassa, Kristen Breitweiser, and Monica Gabrielle runs September 11th Advocates. She continues raising her children in east New Jersey. Patty Casazza A third famous Jersey Girl, Patty is the widow of John F. Casazza, who worked for Cantor Fitzgerald on the 104th floor of WTC Tower One. She was one of the twelve members of the Family Steering Committee for the 9/11 Commission, and with fellow widows Lorie Van Auken, Mindy Kleinberg, Kristen Breitweiser, and Monica Gabrielle serves on the board of September 11th Advocates. Originally from Colts Neck, New Jersey, she now lives in upstate New York. Monica Gabrielle Jokingly referred to by the others as the fifth Jersey Girl, Monica is the widow of Richard Gabrielle, who worked for Aon in WTC Tower Two. She was one of the twelve members of the Family Steering Committee for the 9/11 Commission, and with fellow widows Lorie Van Auken, Mindy Kleinberg, Kristen Breitweiser, and Monica Gabrielle serves on the board of September 11th Advocates. She is also co-chair of the Skyscraper Safety Campaign with Sally Regenhard. She continues to reside in Manhattan. Sally Regenhard Sally is the mother of Christian Michael Otto Regenhard, a Red Hook probationary firefighter, Ladder 131, who went missing at the WTC. She founded the Skyscraper Safety Campaign and co-chairs it with widow Monica Gabrielle. Sally continues to reside in Bronx, New York. Bob McIlvaine Bob is the father of Bobby McIlvaine, 26, Assistant V.P. of media relations at Merrill Lynch, who died in the attacks on the World Trade Center. A retired counselor to troubled teenagers and one-time tavern owner from Philadelphia, he was at the hospital in suburban Philadelphia where he worked with teenagers when he heard the news of the attack. Not a member of the Family Steering Committee, Bob became involved early on in the fight for an investigation, attending the families June 2002 rally at the Capitol and subsequently joining Committee members at every Commission hearing. He continues to live with his wife in Pennsylvania. 9/11: Press for Truth Home Page

GOP candidate says 9/11 attacks were a hoax By ALBERT McKEON, Telegraph Staff amckeon@nashuatelegraph.com Published: Thursday, Aug. 24, 2006 More coverage See a video excerpt of Mary Maxwell's interview with the Telegraph Editorial Board. Read what others are saying about the story in the forums A Republican candidate for this areas congressional seat said Wednesday that the U.S. government was complicit in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. In an editorial board interview with The Telegraph on Wednesday, the candidate, Mary Maxwell, said the U.S. government had a role in killing nearly 3,000 people at the World Trade Center and Pentagon, so it could make Americans hate Arabs and allow the military to bomb Muslim nations such as Iraq. Maxwell, 59, seeks the 2nd District congressional seat. The Concord resident opposes the incumbent, Charles Bass of Peterborough, and Berlin Mayor Bob Danderson in the Republican primary Sept. 12. Maxwell would not specify if she holds the opinion that the government stood by while terrorists hijacked four domestic airliners and used them as weapons, or if it had a larger role by sanctioning and carrying out the attacks. But she implicated the government by saying the Sept. 11 attacks were meant to soften us up . . . to make us more willing to have more stringent laws here, which are totally against the Bill of Rights . . . to make us particularly focus on Arabs and Muslims . . . and those strange persons who spend all their time creating little bombs, giving Americans a reason to hate them and fear them and, therefore, bomb them in Iraq for other reasons. She said this strategy would be normal for governments, citing her belief that the British government and not the Germany military sank the Lusitania ocean liner in 1915. The deaths of Americans on the cruise liner helped galvanize U.S. support to enter World War I, and benefited England, she said. In turn, the Sept. 11 attacks made the ground fertile for more stringent laws, such as the Patriot Act, and the creation of the Department of Homeland Security, Maxwell said. Near the end of the interview, Maxwell pounded her fist on the table and asked editors of The Telegraph why they werent publishing more stories about the governments role in the terrorist attacks or proliferation of nuclear weapons. Maxwell has no political experience. She lived abroad for the past quarter-century with her husband, George, a pediatrician, and only recently returned to the U.S., she said. In the hour-long interview, Maxwell spoke at length about Constitutional law, U.S. law, nuclear weapons proliferation, and other domestic and foreign policy issues. Maxwell said the U.S. should withdraw from Iraq. She also questioned whether Congress authorized the war and said its members cant explain that 2002 vote. (Congress authorized the use of force to defend this countrys security and enforce United Nations resolutions on Iraq.) Legally, we shouldnt have gone to Iraq if Congress cant explain why, she said. Maxwell described herself as a strict Constitutionalist, a candidate who wants to bring the country back to basics. The Constitution grants more power to the legislative branch than the other two branches, but Congress has allowed the executive and judicial branches to diminish its influence, she said. She also said the U.S. shouldnt immerse itself in the international community by signing trade and security pacts. These agreements have weakened national sovereignty, she said.Telegraph http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.d...131/-1/business

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Aug 7, 2006 -> 07:22 AM) So far, I haven't seen anything really resembling true racism within these arguements, althought Iggy's opening statement is pretty ignorantly worded, and could be headed down the road of anti-semetic depending on what other substance came with the arguement. That little snippet is definately one-sided at best, and definately eskews one side from any responsiblity for their recent actions, IMHO. I agree with your initial views, however I did not write those statements. Most of you gave very honest answers and a few only looked for a way to attack the poster. Here is the site I got the opening statements from. http://www.nkusa.org/activities/Statements/2006July18.cfm I find it hard for a Jew to be Anti-Semite. That is why I had said that is was directed at the government and not the people. I see the same here in this country when persons bring their view forward that are against the government they are call anti-patriotic and worse. Is it the lack of respect for our allowing the right to freedom of thought or opinion unless they agree with us 100%? Why have we become so wrapped in the political parties and not the idea of what started this country. In this day and age we should be using our military and political might to keep people from killing others period. This conflict will only stiffen the resolve and give reason to those that hate this country. It is our responsibility to lead in being peace keepers where and when we can. I do not think Israel is wrong to protect its self or exisist. However many forget what happened the day before the soldiers were taken. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5065008.stm Prior to this happening there was a cease fire that held for almost a full year.

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Aug 6, 2006 -> 01:16 PM) This isn't a warning to one person, Iggy. It's a warning to anyone talking in this thread. This isn't a warning to one person, Iggy. It's a warning to anyone talking in this thread. Oh...I totally understand

QUOTE(Rex Kickass @ Aug 6, 2006 -> 01:07 PM) I'm leaving this open - but with a very clear warning. Play nice. Got it? I always do.... Rex... I am not sure why I am getting a warning...does this seem attacking in some way...I only want to spark discussion.

The brutal and indiscriminate attack upon the people and infrastructure of Lebanon by the Zionist State "Israel" is a crime against all basic standards of decency and humanity. The excuse given for this murderous invasion was the attack by Hezbollah on the IDF. What this might have to do with the hundreds of thousands of Lebanese innocent men, women and children, who are subjected to an ongoing living hell, is beyond comprehension. Indeed, this current aggression is only the second chapter of the recent viciousness; the first being the furious reinvasion of Gaza and the onslaught on its civilians and the ruination of its basic human services. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I do believe these statements to be true and find they are directed at the government and not the people...what are your thoughts. I will post a link from where the statements originated later for further discussion.

QUOTE(iWiN4PreP @ Jun 28, 2006 -> 10:56 AM) This is loose change second edition, its online Its a conspiracy theory on 9/11. Pretty good stuff. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8...+second+edition pretty convincing..... Im pretty sure its banned in the USA. Dude..where were you when I posted this.... Posting....I am glad 1 more woke from the deep sleep....OK guys Tell me more about my Tin Hat :-) BTW...see my latest Tin Hat Conspiracy link

White House Agenda and Secret Deals I know I am a Tin Hat wearing Freek..But even you most staunch republicans do not know how he has made back door deals without congress approval to verify if the people want this. I do not remember voting for this....did you? Good bye Fare Wages America!!!

Why should they when they have a never ending stream of the Peoples money to do as they wish as long as they control the House. DOJ Dismisses Felony Tax Prosecution -- With Prejudice -- After PRA Defense Raised Evidence OMB Complicit In Income Tax Fraud DOJ & IRS Petitioned To Explain On May 12, 2006 in Peoria, Illinois, the attorney for the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) begged the court to dismiss all charges against IRS victim Robert Lawrence in federal District Court. The motion for dismissal came on the heels of a surprise tactic by Lawrence’s defense attorney Oscar Stilley. The tactic threatened exposure of IRS’s on-going efforts to defraud the public. The move put DOJ attorneys in a state of panic that left them with only one alternative: beg for dismissal, with prejudice. Stilley’s tactic paid off. Sixty days earlier, the DOJ had indicted Lawrence on three counts of willful failure to file a 1040 form, and three felony counts of income tax evasion. The federal Judge dismissed all charges with prejudice, meaning the DOJ cannot charge Lawrence with those crimes again. The trial was to have started on Monday morning, May 15th. On Wednesday, May 10, Stilley mailed a set of documents to the DOJ in response to DOJ’s discovery demands. The documents revealed to DOJ for the first time that Lawrence was basing his entire defense on an act of Congress, 44 U.S.C. 3500 – 3520, also known as the "Paperwork Reduction Act" (PRA). In Section 3512 of the Act, titled "Public Protection," it says that no person shall be subject to any penalty for failing to comply with an agency’s collection of information request (such as a 1040 form), if the request does not display a valid control number assigned by the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) in accordance with the requirements of the Act, or if the agency fails to inform the person who is to respond to the collection of information that he is not required to respond to the collection of information request unless it displays a valid control number. In Section 3512 Congress went on to authorize that the protection provided by Section 3512 may be raised in the form of a complete defense at any time during an agency’s administrative process (such as an IRS Tax Court or Collection and Due Process Hearing) or during a judicial proceeding (such as Lawrence’s criminal trial). In sum, the PRA requires that all government agencies display valid OMB control numbers and certain disclosures directly on all information collection forms that the public is requested to file. Lawrence's sole defense was he was not required to file an IRS Form 1040 because it displays an invalid OMB control number. Government officials knew that if the case went to trial, it would expose the fraudulent, counterfeit 1040. They also must have known that a trial would expose the ongoing conspiracy between OMB and IRS to publish 1040 forms each year that those agencies knew were in violation of the PRA. That would raise the issue that the Form 1040, with its invalid control number, is being used by the Government to cover up the underlying constitutional tort -- that is, the enforcement of a direct, unapportioned tax on the labor of every working man, women and child in America. Any information collection form, such as IRS Form 1040, which lacks bona fide statutory authority or which conflicts with the Constitution, cannot be issued an OMB control number. If a control number were issued for such a form, the form would be invalid and of no force and effect. Under the facts and circumstances of the last 24 years, it is safe to say that IRS Form 1040 is a fraudulent, counterfeit, bootleg form. Government officials responsible for this fraud should be investigated and face indictment for willfully making and sponsoring false instruments. Caught between a rock and a hard place, the DOJ and IRS decided not to let the Lawrence case proceed because it would reveal one critical and damning fact: The PRA law protects those that fail to file IRS bootleg Form 1040 (continued....)