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QUOTE(Heads22 @ Mar 13, 2006 -> 07:23 PM) Iowa State > Iowa's Tate

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Mar 13, 2006 -> 08:34 PM) I base my thinking about Politte looking at his career and as for what I would get for him, I would have to see what was available for a guy coming off a great season not making a ton of money. I was also a guy who was nuts wanting KW to trade Shingo the winter of 2004, when they could have gotten something for him. Look at Cotts numbers? Do you really think its fair to expect the same? I like Cotts and think he will be good, but he'll probably give up a few more runs this season. I have made no claims about getting rid of Cotts. Barring injury, he will be in the White Sox rotation in a couple of years. Maybe Buerhle's replacement if he goes to St. Louis. Agreed about all three. Politte's been around for some time and last year looks like an anomoly on his record. On the other hand, Cotts is still young and it seems like he's developing into a very solid pitcher. I wasn't high on Shingo going into last year, either. I thought that it was just a matter of time before AL hitters adjusted to him. Aging closers who try to get by with unorthodox deliveries, 80-mph fastballs, and junk offspeed pitches are absolutely screwed when they don't locate with pinpoint accuracy.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Mar 13, 2006 -> 08:16 PM) Our two bullpen holes last season were Marte and Vizcaino, right? While I didn't like either of them, Marte had a 3.77 ERA and Vizcaino had a 3.73 ERA. What two guys do we have that can replace that production? I know it's just ST but I'm not seeing it so far. We also had a lot of holes in our lineup last year, with only two starters hitting .280, none hitting .300, and only one player with an OBP over .360. That's a lot more alarming than not having Marte and Vizcaino in the 'pen. I agree that KW needs to sign a veteran reliever and maybe bring up another from the minors at some point, but I think we're in better shape now overall than we were at this time last year.

QUOTE(Soxpranos @ Mar 13, 2006 -> 05:43 PM) Great advise.. take it... no one told you to get married or have children. If you are not financially stable to support a family, why have one? I do a fine job of providing for my family, thank you. I simply stated that it costs a lot of money to do. BTW, nice spelling/grammar. I'm sure that your English teacher would be proud. QUOTE(EvilMonkey @ Mar 13, 2006 -> 07:42 PM) Do you have ANYTHING to actually back that up? I don't see Poles running across the border, and even with the crappy airport security, I don't see them sneaking by the security checkpoints. Yep, the vast majority of them are here legally. There aren't very many drug cartels trafficking in coke, heroin, and meth from Poland, either.

QUOTE(T R U @ Mar 12, 2006 -> 06:14 PM) Haha, man I hate Drew Tate so much. What's the matter with Drew Tate? You an Iowa State fan or something?

QUOTE(fathom @ Mar 13, 2006 -> 06:13 PM) Danny Graves is AWFUL! He was a halfway decent closer for several years. If he's healthy and can be acquired cheaply, he might be a decent middle reliever.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Mar 13, 2006 -> 06:30 PM) So? He could have kept it to himself. He could have left the Sox as a hero. Instead, he became Sammy Sosa Part 2. I love Frank but his exit was disappointing as hell. Couldn't have said it better myself.

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QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 13, 2006 -> 03:33 PM) It was a generalization, part of proving a point. If that is a shot at you, what was your general comments about the simplicity of every new college graduate's life and responsibilities? The fatal flaw in your argument was that I was addressing A PARTICULAR person's life. I'm well-aware that there are college graduates out there who have a wife and three children to support.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 13, 2006 -> 03:11 PM) Overgeneralization on your part once again. Every recent college graduate goes through the same thing huh? All have the same life? Just like your family life must be boring as you drive your little mini van around town wanting more out of life like most older married men. But of course, thats not stereotyping you is it? People who haven't gone through certain things in life tend not to understand the complexities of what it's like to be in said situation. For example, I don't really know what it's like to be an elderly man with dementia living in a nursing home. I have a few ideas of what it might be like, but I don't have a full appreciation of what such a person goes through on a daily basis. Nor do I really understand what it's like to be a rape or sexual-abuse victim. Similarly, I don't think that the average newly-minted college graduate understands the complexities of supporting a family. Some of them may already be in that situation, but the person in question isn't. And for the record, I don't drive a minivan. But feel free to keep taking shots at me.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Mar 13, 2006 -> 02:31 PM) Then I hope you feel the same way about all situations in which the government needlessly spends tax dollars with the same fervor. Damn straight I do. I'm from the Reagan school of government spending.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 13, 2006 -> 11:22 AM) So maybe he should tell you to divorce your wife, sell your house, leave your children and go back to school so you can have the same view of the situation as he does? No need to. I've already experienced the young, single, just-out-of-college, few-responsibilities, living-for-only-myself lifestyle. And it's a hell of a lot different than having to provide for a family, particularly when it comes to money. A lot of younger people don't understand that (including myself back when I was Sleepy's age) because they haven't been through it yet. It's an issue of experience. QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Mar 11, 2006 -> 02:37 PM) Nice to see you play the human rights card, later bulls***ting that your concerns are for workers' safety, when you clearly stated in your previous posts that your main concern was all of that precious money being "stolen" away from your taxes. :rolly Comments like this really piss me off. It's easy for somebody with fewer financial responsibilities to have a liberal attitude towards tax-dollar subsidization of illegals. But I'll be damned if I'm going to funnell away money that could go towards my family (or LEGAL American citizens via taxes) so that it can support illegal immigrants. QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Mar 13, 2006 -> 12:57 PM) Nope, that was never the implication. That was the assumption when I brought up latent racism (Know what that is?). I think latent racism plays a role in people wanting to just kick out every single illegal immigrant as the answer. Yes, I know what "latent" means. You're not the only one who's been to college. So, what, we're all being subconsciously racist when we want people who are here illegally deported? I don't care what race or religion they are; breaking the law is breaking the law. Then why do you keep bringing up this point? You seem to be implying that a hell of a lot of people are racist... although they just might not be aware of it. Really? I thought that racism died during the Johnson administration? Yes, of course racism is alive and well in America. But listing that as a major factor for people being opposed to illegal immigration is nothing short of ignoring the REAL reasons that people oppose undocumented workers (security, financial) is nothing short of playing the race card. And playing the race card takes credibility away from your argument. Keep in mind as well that not all of the illegals entering the Southwest are coming here to pick tomatoes and clean swimming pools. A lot of those people are involved in the Mexican drug cartels. And, in many cases, the corrupt Mexican government is aiding them. Therefore, it's important that we approach this as a homeland security issue as well. I fully understand that undocumented workers are keeping the prices of many goods (particularly food) down substantially. That's obviously a good thing for our economy and, despite the fact that these people are living in sub-standard conditions when comared with other Americans, their pay and standard of living are higher than they would be in Mexico. I do not condone the American business-owners who exploit these people, but they have it better here than they would in their own country. Therefore, I would support a guest worker program, rather than just kicking them all out. The most important thing is that we have control over who comes across our borders.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 13, 2006 -> 11:16 AM) You asked twice, in a negative tone, about a poster's age and employment. Then you belittled them because of their age and marital status. It makes it hard to have a reasonable discussion with you when you do things like that. Funny, that same person implied that people who oppose illegal immigration do so out of racism. Talk about a "negtative tone." :rolly I have a difficult time having a reasonable discussion when people do things like that.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 13, 2006 -> 07:06 AM) Nicely played. I don't happen to agree with you on this issue, but I certainly agree that no one on this board needs to be badgering others about their personal status (age, race, work, etc.). There was no "badgering" involved. It was simply an attempt to get an idea of one's situation, when said situation almost certainly influences that person's stance on a particular issue.

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Mar 12, 2006 -> 08:35 PM) Even the best country in the world, france, is against illegal immigration. Pretty much everybody who wants to have a family, live in a house, go on a vacation every once in a while, and eat something besides ramen noodles is against illegal immigration.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Mar 12, 2006 -> 08:26 PM) I'm paying them back. Now do I do them in that order? How many children do you think I should have? Again, I don't see how it's relevant to the discussion... Of course you don't, because you're not living like an adult. Get married, have children, buy a house, and get back to me.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Mar 12, 2006 -> 08:22 PM) 22. Out of college. Full-time job. Yep, I pay rent, utilities, taxes, living expenses, etc. I like watching baseball, long walks on the beach, and cuddling. Anything else? Get married, have children, buy a house, pay back your student loans, and tell me what you think of economic re-distribution for "humanitarian" reasons 10 years from now.

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Mar 12, 2006 -> 08:20 PM) I've not seen it run very widely yet (though a blog or two has picked up on it today). Just a matter of time, my friend...

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Mar 12, 2006 -> 08:17 PM) Yet they're given priority when defecting from Cuba so they can come help some baseball teams. You still haven't told me what you do for a living. How about just giving me your age?

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Mar 12, 2006 -> 08:09 PM) He shared the letter with his pastor and his pastor shared it with the media. Oh, I'm sure that the media salivated when they read it and couldn't get it published quickly enough. :rolly

QUOTE(Soxpranos @ Mar 12, 2006 -> 08:13 PM) We wouldnt have a Championship in 05 as most of those guys are here on Visas. I say than god for them Latinos... Sure, if they have legal visas, they're more than welcome to work here in America.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Mar 12, 2006 -> 07:51 PM) Let me ask you something: Why do you want to know? I want to know if you're some college student who is living off of either student loans and/or your parents, or if you're actually out in the real world and are having federal tax, state tax, local tax, Medicare, Social Security, and health insurance (a REAL b****) taken out of your paycheck every month. Oh, and let's not forget those student loan repayments! What's it cost to go to college nowadays? Twenty thousand a year? :headshake Do you have any idea how much per month it costs to pay back eighty freaking thousand dollars? Do you have a spouse or child who are fiancially dependent upon you? Do you have any freaking clue how much THAT costs? If you're out in the real world and have to deal with the financial reality of getting by in today's over-priced world, your attitude towards taxing people who work LEGALLY for a living might be different.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Mar 12, 2006 -> 07:20 PM) Racism and steryotyping will always be a part of the issue, whether you choose to admit it or not. No need to get on your high horse as if you think you're above it... Isn't the race card getting kind of old? :rolly Let me ask you something: What do you do for a living?

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Mar 12, 2006 -> 09:55 AM) And that has to change. Children of illegal immigrants should not be allowed US citizenship nor any benefits that come with it. Ah, yes, the "anchor babies." People come here illegally and knock up their spouses immediately so that they can stay when their child is born a "U.S. citizen." And, hey, they get to have the child at the hospital for free (actually, at the expense of the taxpayers). No wonder our healthcare costs are skyrocketing. :headshake