QUOTE(chitownsportsfan @ Apr 22, 2006 -> 08:32 PM)
If you're saying that MB will suffer a similiar fate bacause he's similiar to those guys--you are dead wrong.
MB
is in his 7th MLB season first off, so I'm not sure where the "3-5" good years thing comes in.
Ok, the guys you compared him to: Doc Gooden has drug problems--hard drug problems--he is not a good comparison.
Frank Viola was a damn good pitcher. 9 times over 200ip, and a career ERA+ of 113. Heck, he pitched over 250IP 5 times. Not a HOFER, but certainly a good player, with a long and solid career. If MB has a Fran Viola career that would be awesome.
Martinez only made it over 200IP 4 times in his 13 year career, and finished with a 105 ERA+--he is a decidely mediocre pitcher. His first 5 full seasons--yes, he did flash some potential. However, he didn't do it the level MB is doing it, not even close. His age 26 season he had an ERA+ of 99. MB's age 26 ERA+ was 143.
Screw the other two guys, your argument was poor, I hope this proves it.
Are you stupid? Where did I say MB would suffer the same fate? But nobody is above becoming a drug addict.
But MB has to prove he can pitch well into his 30's before we talk about him being a HOF or winning 300 games.
All those people mentioned showed tons of flashes. But they faded out real quick. Whether it was in their 3rd year or their 7th year.
Do you even know who Vida Blue is? Without looking at baseballreference.com?