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QUOTE(Kalapse @ May 27, 2006 -> 07:14 PM) Steve Finley is currently in the NL, where the pitching is weak and the teams are weaker, look at what he did in his second trip to the AL last year, he f***in sucked. I'd rather not trade for a 43 year old bad CF. But hey that's just me. Juan Pierre is a bad player, the discusssion last year about him, well Soxtalk had a mighty large Juan Pierre thread and I was one of the main people saying how horrid of a baseball player is he is. A pathetic arm like his is not going to help you in centerfield, baserunners will be taking the extra base on every play and every tag play from 3rd will score a run. A run in the 1-7 is equal to a run in the 8th or 9th. He has a horrible OBP, currently a few points higher than Brian Anderson and he can't buy a f***ing hit. All this comming in the NL which I mentioned in the last paragraph, is weak as all hell. Erstad will not be comming back anytime soon he's been on the DL since May 1st and his ankle is still bothering him. He's 1.) old 2.) Expensive 3.) injured 4.) bad. The risk? Paying a pahetic ballplayer a pretty penny and having him hit worse than Anderson. Also, the Giants are currently 3.5 games out in the worst division in baseball. Why again would they trade us thier "productive" CF? Hey, Kalapse, I hear you about this stuff, particularly Pierre's arm. It makes me laugh sometimes. But we have an issue here. We're a team competing for the world championship again. We have one CF who is not adequate defensively. We have one who is not minimally competent offensively, at least right now. That's untenable. Do you think that Ken Williams is going to tolerate that? I don't. There is no optimal solution. Each of the players I identified would be available relatively cheaply. There are other players who one could think of who might be available at a steeper price. But some here won't want to do that either. So, what do you do? Because, here's the thing: if we are playing Detroit in September, or the Red Sox in October, and the network goes around the diamond showing the White Sox defense, and Rob Mackowiak is the centerfielder, you're going to be uneasy. And you'll be right to feel that way.

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ May 27, 2006 -> 07:10 PM) Finley's having an OK season for a 41 year old man: .265/.344/.434. I'd take that from my #9 hitter. Amen.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ May 27, 2006 -> 06:57 PM) Well, Erstad will be really good for you on the DL, which is just about what he does now, not to mention the fact that he's slow as s*** in CF and can't hit worth a lick. Finley is 43 years old and is currently in the NL, last year in the AL he put up a 73 OPS+ and spent plenty of time on the DL, fun. Juan Pierre is just a bad player in general, I don't want him anywhere near my Sox, he really does nothing well right now. As Dan Bernstein would say, he's a "toy player". He's basically a pinch runner at this point. I know Erstad's injury prone. Hell, he's on the DL right now. But you'll have a chance to watch him for a month or two here. If he looks okay, and the price isn't much, where's the downside? Are you afraid that he'll take Ross Gload's valuable spot on the roster? On Finley, I'm just looking at his numbers right now -- look pretty respectable to me. And, as for Pierre, he's having a bad year. I know there was a lot of discussion about him last winter. But you're not going to have to give up nearly as much, pay him as much or count him for anything more than getting to balls and catching them from innings 1-7 (Anderson's going to come in anyway), and maybe being an igniter at the bottom of the order, which sorely needs it. The bottom-line is this, guys: having Robby Mack as your starting centerfielder on a championship team doesn't look real workable. (christ, he's f***ed up 3 plays in the last week.) I love what Anderson might be able to do at some point, but maybe not now. So . . . if you agree with these two points, what would you propose? I mean, besides Carl Everett.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ May 27, 2006 -> 06:55 PM) Erstad had 1 great year, is injury-prone, and KW already traded for him once. Garland for Erstad a few years ago, which was agreed to only to be vetoed by Angel ownership later. Which is exactly why I will not be surprised to see him playing centerfield for the White Sox this year. If KW wants you once, KW wants you forever. And, with the salary and injuries, it ain't gonna cost Jon Garland this time around.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ May 27, 2006 -> 06:49 PM) Seriously, you are out of your mind, have you actually looked at the numbers for those people? We're better off with Mack for crying out loud. Mack can't judge a fly ball. In a pennant race, I guess I'm thinking that's a problem. And, yes pal, I've looked at their numbers. Erstad, Finley and Pierre are all in walk years. They each have some issue with them (Erstad: not a great hitter at this point/health; Pierre: having a really bad year/no arm; Finley: old (but actually hitting; have YOU looked at his numbers?). But that's why you can actually get them. They have experience, having each won a World Series. They'll catch the ball and hit at least a little. And they're going to be batting 8th or 9th -- for crying out loud.

QUOTE(Ndgt10 @ May 27, 2006 -> 06:45 PM) Nelson wasn't picked up to pitch 2 innings. Nelson got away with one to Glaus. He walked a guy in this inning. He grooved one to Hllenbrand. Anyway, I hope he gets better with some work. Why, oh why, were we in the 11th inning of a game and still had not used our 2 best relief pitchers? QUOTE(winninguglyin83 @ May 27, 2006 -> 06:46 PM) ATTENTION KENNY WILLIAMS: We need: A) bullpen help. B) a legit major league CF. C) somebody to lite a roman candle in Uribe's rectum. Centerfielders to keep an eye on: Steve Finley, Darin Erstad, Juan Pierre

QUOTE(Ndgt10 @ May 27, 2006 -> 06:37 PM) Mother f***er Cut it out. That's offensive to Garland.

QUOTE(greg775 @ May 27, 2006 -> 06:32 PM) Like the dog, the Sox have no bark today. "There's the squirrel. D.J., one time I was sliding into home plate, and a dog came out and blocked the plate. Mercy."

QUOTE(shawnhillegas @ May 27, 2006 -> 06:27 PM) i really feel that brian is more valuable than juan right now. As a fan, this is the type of comparison that is difficult to make, painful to think about and results in severe brain damage.

And now, it's official: Juan Uribe is providing zero value.

QUOTE(longshot7 @ May 27, 2006 -> 06:22 PM) But the implication is that Jon is playing like a woman, which is pretty offensive. That Judy Garland was a real person isn't important. If you think about it, it's really more offensive to Judy. She was much more aggressive than Jon.

QUOTE(greg775 @ May 27, 2006 -> 06:18 PM) One more out then BA bunts for base hit. He ain't gonna homer. But he might bunt for a homer. That could happen.

QUOTE(winninguglyin83 @ May 27, 2006 -> 06:17 PM) followed by a guest appearance from Kaz Sazaki Hawk: Kaz Sazaki . . . YEEEEESSSSSS!!!!

QUOTE(Heads22 @ May 27, 2006 -> 06:14 PM) GREAT job today for Matt. Nelson enters. Apparently we're letting last year's Mariners bullpen handle the 10th. I expect to see Guardado shortly.

Thornton showing why he's won 6 consecutive Gold Gloves.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ May 27, 2006 -> 06:11 PM) He takes long strides. He looks a lot slower than he really is, except for maybe that last play. Indeed. On the last play, he looked like Keith Traylor.

Anyone think that JD looks a little slower this year -- in the field, and, like, just now?

Actually, I'd say we show some respect for Judy, not Jon.

Damaso was just, um, misunderstood.

By the way, Thornton's 3.77 ERA is exactly the ERA that Damaso Marte had last year. Hmm.

And Hernandez doesn't need any help sucking. People have complained about him as a home-plate umpire for a long time.

Between Wendelstedt and Angel Hernandez, this is one of the worst crews in baseball.

Scott Podsednik = Terrible sacrifice bunter. Awful. Just really, really bad.

Scott Williamson and Juan Pierre.

And, for about the 4th time in the last 2 weeks, our pitchers cannot pitch through adversity. Scot Shields and Darin Erstad (CF), anyone?