StrangeSox

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 06:50 PM) Awesome. Thanks! this interface frightens and confuses me

QUOTE (FlySox87 @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 06:37 PM) I'm not allowed to be disappointed if my son is gay? Would you not be disappointed? I think most red blooded men would be. Doesn't mean we'd show it, but are there people out there who actually want a gay child? No, I wouldn't, because I'm not a bigot and would just want my child to be happy with someone they love. My father wasn't disappointed when my brother came out.

Obama the Republican, pushing to cut medicare and social security. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/07/us/polit...iscal.html?_r=1 http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/index.html

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 04:32 PM) I know there is debate there. It wasn't a comment on whether or not he's good at his job, just that the "his players like him" standard is a bad one.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 04:54 PM) We're talking about his sig but not about the point he was trying to make. At least not directly. No, I'm pretty sure BS was directly pointing out why Maher-Halperin was a crappy comparison.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 04:15 PM) BTW, off topic but I love this in your sig: One guy is a paid stand up comedian. The other guy is a columnist for a well known publication. Granted I don't think Halperin should have been suspended but I'm not going to start comparing Dennis Miller with Ezra Klein. And one person targeted in your sig is the Commander in Chief. The other is a reality TV star. QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 04:49 PM) 2. I don't care about the point of Alpha's sig, we're not really even talking about it. hmm, pretty sure we were!

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 04:43 PM) I think people are adding the qualifier "without doing other things simultaneously" in their minds when answering that question. That still doesn't change the disconnect between a majority of people saying it would result in "very serious" economic problems if we defaulted while also having a plurality of all respondents dominated by a supermajority of Republicans rejecting a simple debt ceiling hike to avert said problems.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 04:31 PM) I don't mind a guy working for Time calling someone a jackass. It's more revealing of his character than anything else. Only in our silly media world is that suspension-worthy. Well, agreed with that, but he called him a "dick" But that's not the point of Alpha's sig and you know it. It's an "OMG! Double-standards!" thing that ignores a reasonable explanation for differing standards. QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 04:35 PM) But also I should add that halperin is a hack whod i'd support being suspended even if it's not fair to him. this

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 04:36 PM) I was referring to this. I believe NSS and I had a discussion over the fact that I insisted elections were all about turning out your base and less about independents, to the point that base turnout decides just about everything. We got our graphs from different places, apparently.

Also not sure how to reconcile this: with this: or the Republican response with this: Failing to raise the debt limit will result in ~10% loss of GDP spending, launching us off the cliff into another recession. Republican economics has turned into a hardline religious orthodoxy.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 04:31 PM) I was more a fan of the first graph in that post. Both sides are banking on the other taking the fall, though I'll probably lose all hope for this country if the "Democrats refuse to negotiate (and by negotiate we mean give us every single thing we demand, basically our entire party economic platform in one lump sum while getting absolutely nothing back), blame them!" line they're trotting out actually works.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 04:28 PM) Not surprising. To be fair it's not that good of a question, at least imo. I'd like someone who sticks to their principles a hell of a lot more than Obama does (or maybe these really are his principles!), but not the insanity the GOP is currently engaged in.

BTW loving the Ron Paul for President ads at the top of Soxtalk.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 04:24 PM) Apparently he did. Well, that's totally inappropriate. Maher's an abrasive ass who has a political comedy show on HBO. Halperin works for Time. Of course there are different standards to hold them to, which was BS's point.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 04:10 PM) I am only talking Ozzie here. He seems to have the respect of his players But that doesn't mean he isn't bad at his job.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 04:01 PM) When I read crap studies like what you posted there, I think that it is merely some college guy looking for a way to have the flag outlawed or at least removed from as many places as possible. By claiming that it 'influences' people to lean to wards one side (the side he doesn't like), they can somehow try and make the case that displaying the flag is endorsing one party over the other, so you can't display the flag, that would just be 'unfair'. eta it's the same sort of "Crap college-guy study by liberal elites!" that started this thread!

more fuel for the fire! http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocke...-republicanism/

btw I don't recall anyone openly calling for other posters to get banned here, not sure where that complaint is coming from?

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 02:51 PM) how does one argue that they ARE patriotic if the definition they are classifying for being patriotic are mostly just things that are identified with being republican? Yeah, if your definition of "patriotism" is jingoistic nationalism with a good helping of militarism, call me unpatriotic.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 02:36 PM) But you will. And if, come election time, you don't...please accept my pre-apology. That said, I don't believe you won't vote for him again, only you will justify going back on your word to not vote for him with something like, "Well...if didn't run against him, I wouldn't have voted for him", or "He was the lesser of two evils and I'd rather the lesser one win". Just my opinion...but I'd venture to guess that *most* people on this board have a history of voting along party lines, and rarely -- if ever -- having crossed over. check your premises!

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 01:52 PM) oh please. If that was the case the libya and afghanistan threads would be full of democratic cheerleading and the healthcare thread would talk about how it's the greatest thing ever. But it's not the case, you just have people arguing from one side just like you have other people arguing from another side. This is just a practice of victimization. LOL, yeah, me and BS, Democrat Party shills! It wasn't like we spent pages arguing with Balta on why we won't be voting for Obama or anything.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 01:17 PM) And thanks for reinforcing the double standard SS. You'll have to explain where the double-standard is.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 01:10 PM) He has a point though. What would be the reaction if someone said don't ask, don't tell was a necessary evil? This place would explain all the reasons why it's a terrible policy that actually harms the military on the whole as well as discriminates against a sizable minority of Americans call you the scum of the earth.

^ Not sure where a post just disappeared to (it was a solid, reasonable post), but I'll leave that up there ironically anyway.