StrangeSox

Interesting twist for the terrorist Nazi car driver, he can't be represented by the public defenders' office because one of the people injured was the relative of someone who works in that office.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Aug 14, 2017 -> 01:11 PM) Statements like this seem to attempt to minimize the impact that Trump's anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim rhetoric had in driving his support. No, there aren't 62M racists that voted for Trump, but there also aren't just 10,000 racists in the country (which was an argument made on Saturday in this thread). Ignoring the fact that Trump's early success in the primaries was built on his inflammatory rhetoric toward whole stretches of people is dangerous, IMO. Ignoring the fact that Trump remains popular amongst his Republican base - to the extent that 52% of Republican voters in a recent poll said they would be in favor of postponing the 2020 election if President Trump said so - is dangerous. And close to 70% said they believed millions of undocumented immigrants voted illegally in 2016. Sure some of that is just bad heuristic responses to polling, but there's still some underlying awfulness there.

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 14, 2017 -> 01:05 PM) Couple of weeks ago. Trend has been down 4% since then. I'd imagine it was plurality support even in that poll. People are still living 2016 for that stuff, and the question is whether that group that surged to actually go to the polls if they'll actually care enough. His "very" supportive group continues to slide. Sure, and it's only 6 months in to his Presidency, and it wasn't even a hypothetical matchup poll. Just a little disheartening reminder of how lumpy our elections really can be.

I don't think GRRM ever finishes the books at this point

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 14, 2017 -> 12:58 PM) I think this is probably right. Considering things are going reasonably well in the economy (though productivity is low), and his support continuing to crater, it seems like there are fewer remedies to win people back. I'd say one remedy would literally be cause less drama. When his support ticks back up it's when he has relatively light weeks of coverage. But he loves coverage! In terms of actual things happening, I don't see anything short of a major manufacturing revival getting people to feel okay with someone who just brings so much daily baggage into the countries lives. There was a state-by-state gallup poll a couple of weeks ago that found he still has majority support in enough states to win an EC victory. His support is eroding among moderates and people who wanted to give him a chance located mainly in non-red states.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 14, 2017 -> 12:54 PM) This is probably the biggest lie of all of them. There have been post after post equating all Trump voters/supporer to this and anything else done with racial overtones. Nope. Balta and I were pretty clearly making a different point, but you guys couldn't help beating up a bunch of strawmen. What was said was that all of Trump's white nationalism wasn't enough to prevent them from voting Trump for whatever other reasons they may have supported him. Not really interested in pointing out that different a couple dozen times again, though.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 14, 2017 -> 12:50 PM) 62,984,825 Nazis, all of them. Even the African American and Jewish voters who voted Trump, Nazis. FYI nobody in this thread has said this!

QUOTE (brett05 @ Aug 14, 2017 -> 12:45 PM) Finally? He did it right away, but enough whiners hit the "street" and voila, he cow towed to you. Nah, he did that "many sides" bulls*** and refused to explicitly condemn Nazis until two days after one of them murdered another American in a terrorist attack. But you know this. and btw, it's kowtowed.

Why can everyone else travel from one side of the continent and back in the same time it's taking the Night King to march from Hardhome. He's got to go about 1/50th of the distance.

trump finally denounced the Nazis 48 hours after their terrorist attack why it took him 48 hours when he managed to attack the Merck CEO immediately remains a ~mystery~ and he kicked off his 2 minute speech by praising himself and the economy for 30 seconds first took zero questions, too.

Damn near everyone has super plot armor at this point, and the people who don't have been so obviously set up (e.g. Jorah with the coin)

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 14, 2017 -> 09:49 AM) Can is 2020, most likely is 2021. Seems right to me. 2019 should be a fun year to watch this team really starting to mature, but probably not enough by that point.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 14, 2017 -> 09:51 AM) WTF are some Americans embracing Nazi-ism? I mean were these people born in sewers?

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 14, 2017 -> 09:55 AM) You can probably imagine. The leftists were pushing violence, this is all just a ploy by democrats to attack Donald Trump, etc etc. A week or two ago, he was talking about how "many" people wish Trump was a dictator. He was portraying this in a positive light.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Aug 14, 2017 -> 09:03 AM) Has any Republican called for Trump to remove Sebastian Gorka from his administration? He has open ties to Nazi groups. How about Miller and Bannon? Paul Ryan and can go on Twitter and say how sad it is about the events that happened over the weekend, but talk is cheap. Do something about it you coward. Just last week, Hungarian Nazi fake-Dr. Seb Gorka was telling everyone to lay off the criticism of white nationalists.

Nazi-sympathizing President still refusing to condemn Nazis.

My wife is insisting that I still have a truck, so I'll need to trade my access cab Tacoma in for something that'll fit a baby seat. Hoping that the Chevy/GMC Canyon double cabs will work, otherwise it'll be an F150 or a Silverado.

westeros must be the size of Delaware with how quickly everyone gets around.

Trump Homeland security advisor spent the morning defending some of the rally attendees and equating the Nazis to the anti Nazis https://twitter.com/aravosis/status/8967724...src=twsrc%5Etfw

I guess I just fundamentally don't understand your position that voting for an open racist to the highest office in the world, even if you're voting for him for other reasons, isn't enabling a racist. Without those votes, for whatever reason they were cast, Trump doesn't have power and we don't have an executive branch staffed with white nationalists. Those votes very literally enabled Trump and his racist ideology.

Clinton was a bad candidate. That's not relevant to how much you can excuse with tribalism. This whole conversation started off with a claim that a good portion of the Republican base is okay with white nationalist ideology, and what your saying sort of agrees with that. That wasn't enough to get them to abandon their support. Why didn't Trump baggage concerns work for Republicans on the bottle with Trump? Why were they still okay with voting for him in spite of the p**** grabbing and Muslim banning and "Mexicans can't be fair judges" crap? That's the whole point! None of that baggage was too much for them.

You're also assuming that 60 million plus people only voted for him out of economic desperation and not out of enthusiastic support. Many millions of his voters aren't struggling economically.

Whether they intended or not, they literally enabled racists. Jeff sessions is AG and Trump is president. Speaking of awful things their votes enabled and was predictable ahead of time, Trump rolling back more transgendered protections. https://twitter.com/thehill/status/89677059...src=twsrc%5Etfw

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 13, 2017 -> 03:43 PM) What in the world are you talking about? Someone more concerned about providing for their families than worrying about illegal immigrants being deported does NOT make them a racist. Showing up at a white nationalist event with Nazi flags and screaming Nazi rhetoric DOES make you a racist. StrangeSox is somehow lumping all these people together, which is absolutely terrible. So again, what exactly is your angle here? No, I'm not. Maybe I'm communicating poorly, but my point is that the Republican base was at least okay enough with Trump's white nationalist ideology to vote for him. Seeing his bigotry and his promises weren't enough to cost their votes, and so far it hasn't eroded their support too much. That doesn't make them the same as flag carrying Nazis, but so far the white supremacists' policies Trump's pursued aren't a bridge too far.

And again for emphasis, millions of non-struggling people across the country including in the rust belt voted for Trump. He got more typical Republican support than Romney. Millions of struggling people also didn't vote for him (by and large the poor don't vote for a variety of reasons). I don't see why we need to give people endless excuses.