StrangeSox

USA today never endorses for president, but today they specifically denounced Trump. https://mobile.twitter.com/jaketapper/statu...634322310856704

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 10:56 AM) Here's the full article http://www.newsweek.com/2016/10/14/donald-...4059.html?rx=us And some documented proof of the activities. https://mobile.twitter.com/kurteichenwald/s...9014784/photo/1

The NYT had a very thinly disguised review of a new book about Hitler yesterday In ‘Hitler,’ an Ascent From ‘Dunderhead’ to Demagogue

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 04:03 PM) The first time I ran, it was on a whim because a seat opened up about a year before the election and the superintendent was an absolute scumbag. I didn't get to fill the temporary seat, and I ran in the full election too. I finished 3rd of 3, but made some good headway. I actually took the domain I bought to run for the election and made it into a local message board. Overtime I turned it into more of a political for and op-ed platform. I ran the second time four years later, and did a lot better. I have been asked to run again in the last two elections, but decided that was going to be my last run, until at least my kids were older. I have stayed largely in the public domain more than ever, both being on the local Planning Commission, an Economic Development group, and serving on a not-for-profit board as a President for five years. The social media aspect of my webpage has over 7500 members now, so I have a nice following there. I think if I decided to run again, I would have a really good chance at winning, but with everything else in life, I don't have the free time to serve an office well anymore. Maybe once the kids are older I will give a shot at an actual political office. That's genuinely awesome that you're that involved in your community. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 04:04 PM) Remind me to ban you later. K? Tnx. Ha. Seriously appreciate that the mods here are not petty at all and don't let their power go to their head just because someone is arguing with them. Never once been concerned that people would be unfairly or arbitrarily banned here.

right, now it is 100% conservatives who ban everyone at the drop of a hat

I have to imagine that just getting your name out there in a local race and even just reminding people "hey there's an election this April" (or whatever non-Presidential year you're running in) matters a lot more than campaign spending for federal offices, at least on a vote-per-dollar basis. That's where even a small amount of funding for signs, ads in local papers, local events, etc. can really help.

Google searches of voter registration surging in hispanic areas:

McConnell unintentionally praising Obama there as smarter than basically the entire Senate and most of the House, I guess, since he's the only one who could possibly have seen this coming.

QUOTE (Ezio Auditore @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 03:17 PM) McConnell says Obama didn't communicate consequences of 9/11 bill IT WAS THE REASON HE VETOED IT, YOU STUPID SON OF A b****. HE TOLD YOU OVER AND OVER. lol goddamn that is rich seriously why does McConnell think Obama vetoed it? Just to be a dick?

"I speak for the lurkers!" I was saying that people who obsess over national politics and dive into that minutia to the point where they know obscure people who lost 3rd party nominations are while ignoring everything else are lazy and ignorant, not that everyone who ignores local politics (which is unfortunately most people!) are. I hope was making that pretty clear.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 03:00 PM) It took $50k to win the Mayor's office in my town of 30k people. Whoa. I know the local races I'm aware of around here aren't that expensive, but it's still thousands of dollars. Mostly it's money spent on leaflets, door hangers/brouchers and yard signs while the "campaign staff" is friends and family you harass to help you. That's where party politics can "help" (depending on your views) at the local level. It's easy for local Democrats or Republicans to pool their resources together and have one brochure with everyone's name on it and the top-line issues rather than every individual going it alone. So when I'm canvassing for my relative, I'm also helping several other people running and vice versa for their volunteers.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 02:51 PM) Ah but this is the Village of Oak Park, not the City of chicago. Probably still not super cheap and would help to be tied into whatever the existing political organizations/communities are in the area.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 02:49 PM) Thanks for your advice on how I should spend my time. According to you, the individual who leads almost every thread in this subforum in posts, I am lazy and ignorant for choosing not to take the time to read about local politics. Your condescension knows no bounds and the majority of people who read this post could take offense from your ridiculous, widely offensive opinion. I'll let others speak for themselves. I'm also not sure what my (far too high) post count in the subforum has to do with anything beyond some more sniping at me. But I do maintain that if someone shows the level of interest in politics that you clearly show but knows absolutely nothing about their local politics and think it's a waste of time to vote, they're lazy and intentionally ignorant. They are, of course, absolutely free to be that way and to spend their time reading up on failed 3rd party primary candidates rather than understanding local issues they could actually influence, but that doesn't change my assessment. You've got a couple of posters in this very thread in the last couple of pages discussing their own local politics and the impact it has on their community, and as I've mentioned before, I have some direct experience with local politicians in mine. These things matter.

Clinton has been doing worse in the 3- or 4- or 5- way polls indicating that there's some soft support for her that's going 3rd party instead, and Johnson really does seem to be the biggest beneficiary of that. However, over the last couple of weeks that's started to shift, and she's now doing just about the same in multi-party and head-to-head polls.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 02:40 PM) That's a fair point but I certainly don't have time to understand those issues nor do I have the desire to. So if you're one of the few people who care, it means more to you. I'm of the 99% that doesn't. If you have time to post on Soxtalk about politics and appear to be pretty knowledgeable about current events, you have time to learn a little bit about the issues that you have the most direct influence over. This is just laziness and ignorance masquerading as some sort of moral or ideological stance about politics.

f***, a Napoleon quote? My faith in the ability of government to improve lives is shattered! QUOTE (raBBit @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 02:35 PM) HRC being a better candidate than Donald Trump adds nothing to her allure as a candidate. Given two choices, which is how the system works whether we think it should or not, the choice that is better should be more alluring than the choice that is worse. I've said multiple times that the Electoral College is garbage for multiple reasons, one being that it's yet another factor in our electoral system that confines us to two choices. But just because I don't like it doesn't mean it magically goes away, so instead I deal with the system as it is today even if I'd like it to change in the future. That's also part of being an adult.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 02:34 PM) Correct, and there are local initiatives on my ballot which are very big deals to local life in my town. Local politics ARE totally controlled by 2-3 local interest groups, but also can totally be swayed by getting 100 of your neighbors to vote that day. At least you can sit on your county's vote page as the results are coming in on election night mashing F5 these days, can't imagine the anxiety of not knowing for at least a day if some big personal issue or position won or not.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 02:06 PM) Because that's why we vote for presidents, to preserve the legacy of the predecessor. Uh, yes? If she likes Obama's policies, which I'm assuming Michele does, she should vote and campaign for the candidate who will keep those in place and push them even further. It's a hell of a lot better of a reason than voting because you personally like or dislike someone. Thank you for lecturing us on the difference between a democracy and a republic. We were all ignorant before that. (ps it's not because we're a republic that your presidential vote in Illinois is meaningless as nothing about being a republic requires the electoral college!) Some of us believe that we can take interest in the lives of others and make their lives better through government. Implementing policies and programs or changing policies and programs you think are detrimental is part of accomplishing very worthwhile goals. edit: at a bare minimum, voting in local and state elections can still have a large impact on your life even if we're a republic instead of a direct democracy!

QUOTE (raBBit @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 02:01 PM) As far as the bolded, you don't care about it because it doesn't support your agenda. It shows they're both full of s*** and their word is only good for the moment. I want substance from politicians not flavor-of-the-week rhetoric motivated only by selfish means. No, nobody actually cares about it. The only people who "care" about it are people who wouldn't ever vote for Clinton anyway, so it doesn't actually matter. Understanding that politicians criticize each other when they're running against each other but may not actually hate each other, especially 8 years later and after working together for several years, isn't about supporting an agenda but understanding basic politics. Wanting to win so that your agenda which you genuinely believe to be the best for the country and your fellow citizens isn't selfish reasons. Doing what you need to in order to win political campaigns to get the political power you need to actually implement policies isn't being selfish, it's being someone who actual matters rather than another vanity purity campaign who doesn't ever actually do anything.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 02:01 PM) Voting for someone even though you may not personally like them but know it will be better for the country is called being an adult.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 01:36 PM) I didn't quote you as multiple posters were talking about it so don't take it personal. It's just silly she talks s*** about Donald Trump and she's some deity that we have to bow down to. She's not campaigning for her husband who's the President, she's "campaigning" for a woman her husband despises because of their party affiliation. It's really a stretch to say she's campaigning for Clinton when she's really just campaigning against Trump and disparaging him. How novel of her. Donald Trump has 30 years of being a doof anyone with half a brain could campaign against him with no preparation. But hey, the kids are eating tofu so she's the best. If Trump defeats Clinton, much of Obama's legacy will be destroyed as the Republicans will control all three branches of the federal government. At the least, she's campaigning strongly for her own husband's legacy.

*posts more about how he doesn't care about Michelle Obama at all, definitely doesn't have a catalog of reasons he doesn't like her*

"Who even cares about Michelle Obama??" *proceeds to make several posts about Michelle Obama, gets super defensive when people point out her role in the Obama administration* Nobody cares that Obama criticized Clinton when they were campaigning against each other, either.

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 01:24 PM) She's kind of like, the first lady of the united states and is currently on the campaign trail during a presidential election. She's also been pretty outspoken and out front publicly for a first lady.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 29, 2016 -> 11:07 AM) How dare she suggest that children eat healthier! The nerve. We'll show her! *eats literal garbage*