StrangeSox

QUOTE (lostfan @ Apr 23, 2013 -> 08:12 AM) Alex Jones isn't even trying, either he's just lazy or he thinks his readers are stupid. For example, if there were Navy SEALs at the bombing, why would they wear hats identifying them during this SUPER SECRET operation? I think he's just literally insane at this point and buys into all of it himself, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 22, 2013 -> 03:39 PM) CNN has called it "Al Qaeda linked" for whatever that's worth. (keeps reminding me that I need to change the news alerts app on my phone after their fail last week). ACA wasn't enough of a failure for you?

There was also a shooting incident at the Watts Bar nuclear plant yesterday http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/22038818/shoot...nt-in-watts-bar

Will Mass. follow up with charges quickly or let the federal case play out?

he only gave himself a 10s window to get away?

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Apr 22, 2013 -> 12:44 PM) Not us, but current former basketball players. Maybe "responsible" is a better term. How many tweets from current and former pros out there calling Rose a p**** like there have been for Jay?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Apr 22, 2013 -> 01:09 PM) Why do you feel domestic terrorists deserve the same rights as regular U.S. citizens? He's a US citizen. We had no problem prosecuting others like Eric Rudolph or Timothy McVeigh & Co. Or Gacy. Or any number of people who did things arguably worse than he has. Possibly my views would be changed, but I would hope that my convictions are deep enough that I wouldn't throw them away. Plenty of people face tragedies and yet do not advocate for abandonment of their principles. Why shouldn't we take the moral high road, to uphold a fair, just and humane justice system even in the face of horrible acts? We have a constitution that explicitly guarantees due process and explicitly prohibits cruel and unusual punishment. Those are important and worthwhile ideals that shouldn't be discarded out of a thirst for vengeance. Nowhere do you see me expressing sympathy for him. You see me arguing that he deserves his full constitutional protections and that we are better than him, that there is no justification for stooping to barbaric actions in response, and that if we do, our system loses legitimacy and integrity. This person did absolutely terrible things, but I'm also very troubled by the reaction of many Americans who want us to discard our rules of law and our morals in a quest for revenge. Yeah, well, if people didn't say inmates deserve rape and frequently look to it as a reasonable punishment, maybe there would be a will or a desire to do something about it. Many of the statements in this thread and elsewhere go far beyond "eh, I've got better things to worry about" when they're trying to justify rape as a deserved punishment. It's absolutely disgusting. It's not about sympathy for Dzokhar--it's about saving ourselves for moral deprivation. Frederick Douglass noted slavery's impact on the morals of white slave owners, and I see this in the same light. We are worse off as a whole when we allow, if not actively embrace, injustices committed on others.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Apr 22, 2013 -> 12:55 PM) LOL. It amuses me at no end that there are people that ridiculously stupid in this world. unfortunately at least four Representatives are citing him for "Media Reports" in a letter they sent to the DOJ.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 22, 2013 -> 10:09 AM) There's a difference between saying I want the state to condone prison rape and hope this guy is next in line, and saying that the state should not condone it and they should prevent it as much as they can, but if it happens to this kid i'm not going to cry myself to sleep and feel bad for it. He's the worst of the worst, and again, deserves everything coming his way. Nobody ever deserves rape. That's what you're saying that is appalling.

Finished up Eric Forner's The Fiery Trial last week. Excellent book that chronicles Lincoln's changing views on slavery and black rights over the course of his life. I picked it up last November after seeing Lincoln but only recently got around to reading it.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Apr 22, 2013 -> 10:00 AM) We do? Oh thank God, I never knew that! Well I think my confusion is understandable given the large number of people who don't want Dzhokhar to be afforded his constitutional rights, many of whom actively want them violated, and who are a-ok with rape, even going so far as to say that someone deserves it as extrajudicial punishment. I don't see why Dzohkar's disgusting, appalling acts means we should lower our own moral standards.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Apr 22, 2013 -> 09:55 AM) I don't believe anyone, anywhere deserves to be blown up. So for the people who do those things I couldn't give two s***s about what ultimately happens to them. You reap what you sow. We have a legal system where people charged with crimes are afforded due process and where incarcerated people do not lose all of their rights.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 22, 2013 -> 09:39 AM) So sorry I don't feel sympathy for a guy that killed and maimed innocent people. You don't need to feel sympathy for him (I sure as f*** don't) to 1) want him to be fully protected by his constitutional rights which don't evaporate once you're in prison, counselor, and 2) don't believe that anyone, anywhere deserves to be raped.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 22, 2013 -> 09:34 AM) "Or allow it to happen." Nice selective editing there. Don't really need anything but the last sentence to show how bankrupt your morals are

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 22, 2013 -> 09:30 AM) I don't think we should encourage prison rape[...] As far as I'm concerned he deserves it. That's a disgusting set of morals you've got there. Rape-as-punishment and you're perfectly fine with it.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 22, 2013 -> 09:27 AM) The "culture" of prison rape is no more than the "culture" of shivving or the "culture" of beatings in prison. It's a bunch of horrible people confined to one area. Unless you have these idiots on lockdown 24/7, there's no avoiding rape in prison any more than you can avoid rape outside of prison. Bad people do bad things. In this case, it's a bunch of men who want to f*** something and sometimes the thing they f*** happens to be an inmate that has not given his consent. I don't see why you're concerned with this at all. Prison is prison. F*ck em. Prison is full of low-level drug offenders and other non-violent people. It's filled with people who, for almost all of them, will one day be back in society. Even those who are truly horrible people and will never see outside of those walls again do not deserve extrajudicial punishment and rape. Prisoners still have rights and are still human beings. Our prison system and our recidivism rates are so f***ed in large part because of exactly that attitude.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Apr 22, 2013 -> 07:16 AM) The government doesn't typically release all of their evidence to the public in any kind of case. They released some info because they needed public cooperation. Yeah no reason to give away the rest of the case at this point.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Apr 22, 2013 -> 06:42 AM) You still haven't told us what an acceptable punishment would be. Prison, like every other murderer in many states (including Illinois) and most developed countries?

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE9...130420?irpc=932

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 20, 2013 -> 11:22 AM) Too much. Might hurt his feelings. Really we should be apologizing to him. America gave him a tough life. nice excluded middle, apparently it's either execution or hugs.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Apr 20, 2013 -> 01:03 AM) What exactly do you suggest? It sounds almost like you're saying he shouldn't be punished We're not exactly in great company on the list of countries who still use capital punishment.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 10:16 PM) But you know whats even MORE barbaric? Setting off bombs in a crowd and mutilating/killing hundreds of innocent people, and then assassinating an innocent cop. Yep! I prefer the moral high ground, though. Having the state kill this person on my behalf doesn't actually do anything for me. Nor does subjecting him to 60 years of solitary.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 10:09 PM) I'd argue keeping a 19 year old in a federal max prison, most likely 23 hours a day in a jail cell, for the next 50-60 years is MORE barbaric. That said, f*** this guy. Hang him in a public square. He's not worth the cost of keeping alive in jail for the rest of his life. Yeah that's also barbaric.

f*** the barbaric death penalty

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 08:19 PM) Federal crime, so it's irrelevant. What about the killing of the police officer?