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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 23, 2013 -> 04:13 PM) I take Bosh for a jumper vs LeBron doing anything, any time. Yeah, that's the ultimate question...possible wide open jumper for Bosh versus a contested LeBron shot...it didn't happen that way, but I think that was the question Vogel had to decide the answer to.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ May 23, 2013 -> 03:36 PM) I don't really consider that second guessing but rather common sense: -Make sure Lebron doesn't beat you, and if he does make sure it's on a jumpshot -Have a 7 footer near basket to protect the hoop just in case It's not like they had enough time to drive, pull Hibbert off and dump it to someone else for a easy shot. He wouldn't have needed to actually drive. One step towards the basket and Hibbert's man would have been open for an open shot.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ May 23, 2013 -> 03:18 PM) I'd take my chances with wild jump shot over an uncontested layup 100/100 times. I think everyone would. Problem is, you couldn't really anticipate allowing an uncontested layup or having to get up a wild jump shot if you helped on LeBron... Again, second guessing.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 23, 2013 -> 03:00 PM) "They pay me (max-contract money) for a reason. I didn’t say anything, and I wish I did. From now on, I need to speak up," Hibbert said after the game. LeBron James got two easy layups on back-to-back possessions as Pacers coach Frank Vogel kept Hibbert on the bench at the end of overtime. It's a decision Vogel's been ridiculed for ever since the final buzzer sounded and rightly so. Of course he is being ridiculed for it now...had they had Hibbert in and left someone wide open to hit a jump shot, he would have been ridiculed for that too. The sports world is littered with second guessers.

QUOTE (buhbuhburrrrlz @ May 23, 2013 -> 02:18 PM) Yeah, that pretty much tells me Hibbert shouldn't have been in

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ May 23, 2013 -> 02:12 PM) Chris Anderson? If he's taking a non-dunk shot in that situation, that's a huge win. No, I meant Cole.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 23, 2013 -> 02:09 PM) He's not untouchable. George played him well the entire game and denied him open layups. Nine times out of ten George stays with him enough to force a fadeaway/sideways jumpshot. And if Lebron beats you, you tip your cap. I think you feel worse if you rush to double and Chris Bosh beats you with a wide open shot. In fact, that isn't even LeBron's real strong suit...I don't think that LeBron will go down as someone hitting game winners like MJ or Kobe....LeBron is much better at making the smart basketball play, which usually eqautes to getting the most high-percentage shot available for him or his teammates. I've seen LeBron pass up the final shot PLENTY of times in critical parts of playoff games to get it to a wide-open shooter.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 23, 2013 -> 02:07 PM) With 2.2 seconds left and Wade out of the game, you HAVE to make someone else beat you, end of story. You're acting as if the Heat don't have a lot of very good perimeter shooters...it's not just Wade...that is how they beat you...

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 23, 2013 -> 02:06 PM) They had just done it the play before by getting a damned good screen to free up a switch to get Hill on LeBron. If you want to really dig down into it, you really can't even assume George would end up on LeBron. With a limited time frame, you have to attack the ballhandler. The clock is your friend. The idea is to try to get the ball out of his hands, not defend him. It is just even worse because James doesn't even have Wade on the floor at that point. Yeah, I respect the point you guys are making, I just don't really think it's fair to act like it was black and white. What happened made it appear to be a much worse strategy than it actually was. As for Wade, he's hobbled and not the threat he usually is. Bosh or what's his nuts with the big hair was probably option B.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 23, 2013 -> 02:03 PM) This is LeBron James we are talking about here. He can skull-f*** anyone in the NBA if he decides he wants to. But he DOESN'T a lot of the time! He's not Kobe or Michael...you guys have to realize that...in fact, if there IS one criticism of James it's that he doesn't seem to have that killer instinct at times...we saw it a few times in our series, even.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 23, 2013 -> 02:00 PM) Again, if Norris Cole/Shane Battier/Chris Bosh/whoever beats you, you can handle that as a Pacer. Letting LeBron drive untouched to the basket in 2 seconds? Not so much. Again, that's not fair...there wasn't a whole lot of evidence that that could possibly happen either...it makes it look REALLY BAD because that is what did happen, but George had been defending LeBron pretty decently in the 4th and in OT, had he not? When you look at this after the fact, you have to at least work off the assumption that George should have been able to d LBJ up better than that.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 23, 2013 -> 01:53 PM) 2.2 seconds. If he somehow catches the ball, drives around PG, sees Hibbert, decides to pass, finds an open asshole, dishes to said asshole, said asshole hits a shot, all within that REALLY F*CKING SHORT TIME FRAME - well, good game. Make someone else beat you. Or give Paul George zero help with one of the best interior defenders and shot blockers in the league sitting on the bench and watch a 4-time MVP put in an uncontested layup. Oh give me a break, all he has to do is take one step towards the basket, see Hibbert rotate over, dish to a wide-open Bosh, who hits the shot. That takes 1-1.5 seconds if executed well. 2.2 seconds is a pretty decent amount of time to pull off that kind of play. Far more has taken place in 2.2 seconds than that.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ May 23, 2013 -> 01:49 PM) Hibbert had been playing when Lebron was a non-factor. Suddenly they take him out and James gets two gimme layups. I don't think anyone's going to criticize you for helping Lebron on a drive given he has 4 MVP awards. Besides, a lot more things have to go right on that hypothetical play (Bosh being open, Lebron seeing him and having a passing lane, Bosh hitting a shot outside the paint) than James simply turning around and laying an uncontested layup off the glass. I understand, but it wasn't Vogel's assumption that George was going to just let him walk to the basket, either. The choice was between allowing George to try and force an LBJ jumpshot, and sticking the Heat's perimeter players pretty well with more athletic guys or bringing in Hibbert to clog-up the lane or forcing James to alter his shot. George getting smoked just makes the choice he made look terrible, but that wasn't the assumption he was working off of when he made the decision.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 23, 2013 -> 01:47 PM) It's LeBron James with 2.2 seconds left. There's no reason to not try your best to ensure he doesn't beat you. Making anyone guard LeBron 1-on-1 in a pressure situation with 2.2 seconds left, f***ing even Michael Jordan, would be just stupid. And it was. 2.2 seconds. Help defense. It's not rocket science. I understand your point, but he's not Melo...there have been a number of instances where he's made the pass in this situation...yes, you have to be prepared for a LBJ drive, but as everyone has pointed out, George had him checked pretty well late in the game...

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 23, 2013 -> 01:35 PM) I don't suggest that the board would still be talking about me if I weren't on it as if I were a celebrity. unless you were drunk-blogging the NFL draft

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ May 23, 2013 -> 01:39 PM) And Hibbert had to be on the floor to accomplish this? This is all on Paul George. It's pathetic he's getting a free pass for some horrificly bad defense. Dan Dakich and some other guys I respect put it all on George too...

You guys aren't being fair... If George had been doing a good job on LeBron in the 4th and in OT, and then suddenly they bring Hibbert in and he cheats off of Bosh to help with LeBron and LeBron dishes to Bosh who hits a wide-open jumper, all the sudden the conversation is "How come he brought in Hibbert when George has LeBron checked? How could you allow Bosh such a wide-open jumper??"

I think it's pretty easy to second guess here...and honestly, George was probably pretty fatigued and just got caught trying to anticipate something there. It happens. Probably cost Indiana any chance at winning the series, but it's done.

QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ May 23, 2013 -> 01:21 PM) Right, because big men never cheat off guys like that to overload the strong side of the floor. Look at the Melo clip again. I can't quite tell who it is, but there's a guy WIDE open on the opposite wing from Carmelo's drive. Hibbert and West are both chilling out next to Chandler and Hibbert drops off to cover the rim on that play. Come on, like Melo's going to pass

A nice piece.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 23, 2013 -> 10:13 AM) MLB is littered with relievers who are one year wonders. If Nate Jones were anything more we would have see it before he was 26. He may have a 2-3 year run when he's 30, but do you want to keep him on the roster until then? C'mon Marty...you're just throwing s*** against the wall at this point...the guy clearly has the stuff to be successful, he just needs to continue to refine it and make the appropriate mechanical tweaks. I don't think there are a whole lot of people here that are expert enough to determine when a young player who has succeeded before in this league is done or not. Jeesh, people within the game aren't even expert enough to make this determination much of the time. For all we know, Cooper could spot one thing in a side session and have most of this solved...

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 23, 2013 -> 10:02 AM) There's a Wright house in La Grange I liked. It's only 1.25M. Down from 1.5M a year ago. Such a deal! http://www.mredllc.com/myListing.asp?ln=07...9#&panel1-1 Yeah, the actual Wright designs are landmarks now...but there are plenty of homes designed by architects who used his influences and are more within a reasonable price range.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 23, 2013 -> 09:32 AM) Shack, just looked at a mid-century home in River Forest. Its need alot of work but the style was super intriguing. First one I've seen like that. Yeah, they are usually really well-designed in terms of use of space. There are a lot of Wright-influenced designs in the Chicagoland suburbs, particularly in the northern suburbs. Keep us posted.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 22, 2013 -> 07:33 PM) So, in other words, what's our White Sox version of the TT, something that we pour time, energy, research and development dollars into, with an uncertain payoff? The closest we have/had is Courtney Hawkins. http://www.audiusa.com/cn/brand/en/about/a...i_in_china.html Au, contraire. Just like with US box office vs. global/international box office, one must look abroad to see the bigger picture. I'm not seeing tt sales figures in china... I was viewing the whole team like the sports car market...