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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 5, 2013 -> 02:55 PM) Sadly, I have more hope for a good result from the 2013 white sox than I do for a good result from the 2013 NBA playoffs. Haha...the Western Conference games have been great, actually. But yeah, I smell what you're stepping in.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 5, 2013 -> 02:51 PM) I can't imagine how frustrating a loss like this would have been in previous years. Right now, it's just par for the course unfortunately. Hopefully we can go 72 hours without anyone else getting hurt. Yeah, I don't want to see them lose, but I've been watching NBA playoffs and not particularly giving a s*** about the '13 white sox.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 5, 2013 -> 02:34 PM) Why anyone would think that trading Viciedo is a good idea is beyond me. He'd be the exact type of player you'd be trying to acquire. Young, talented, but undervalued on the trade market, high ceiling, maybe capable of being a producer in the near future. If I were unloading a young guy from the pen, I'd go Reed. He'd bring a better return than Jones just since he's already been closing. The smartass answer would be because he is not good.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 5, 2013 -> 02:26 PM) They spent 4 years below .500 and missed the playoffs 6 years in a row for their rebuild. Yeah, but when did they actually begin that rebuild?

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 5, 2013 -> 02:22 PM) If you trade Sale you're saying it's a >5 year project. If done right, it's 2-3 years. No you're not...by trading Sale you make it a 2-3 year project, instead of 5 years or more.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 5, 2013 -> 02:23 PM) Can you give some examples of successful 2-3 year rebuilds? The Sf Giants

Should have pounded Butler inside off the plate again...let Dyson beat us before Butler

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 5, 2013 -> 02:09 PM) Maybe. I would not however keep anything that has trade value to do the rebuild. Get rid of Peavy, Rios, and whatever has value in the bullpem. The rbuild could be pretty quick if Sale, Quintana, Santiago, and Danks perform as hoped. If they don't there's really no reason to keep Peavy anyway. I'd trade Sale before Rios right now...

Hah, Stoney

QUOTE (fathom @ May 5, 2013 -> 02:01 PM) The Red Sox this year are a perfect example of that (with an unlimited budget though), and I would suggest the 2005 White Sox did a fantastic job of this as well. The hardest thing to acquire is pitching, and thankfully the Sox have some good depth there and can afford to dangle Peavy, IMO. I mean why buy the house in 2006 when you can just rent instead?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 5, 2013 -> 02:05 PM) Well, I prefer the catcher who missed the big leagues compared to the half human half injection monster, but then that's just me again Yeah, but he was a hell of a player before the drugs

QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 5, 2013 -> 02:03 PM) What are you talking about? Barry Bonds

QUOTE (fathom @ May 5, 2013 -> 02:02 PM) You too? Didn't know that. Yeah, Marty and I have been taking the heat on that one for a good year or more now.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 5, 2013 -> 02:00 PM) With all due respect to marty, he's the only one on here that really pushes for the Sox to get rid of Viciedo. Ahem

Just to continue on with a discussion Fathom and I were having via PM...for you guys in favor of rebuilding with prospects....has anyone considered just rebuilding with some veterans instead? I suppose that is called "retooling." Rebuilding right now via prospects strikes me as trying to buy into a commodity which is overvalued. It is the equivalent of buying high and selling low. I just don't see the value in doing it right now.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 5, 2013 -> 01:37 PM) Cause if you rebuild and aim for 3-4 years from now of competing again, he's still signed at an affordable contract. When you see a team like the Cubs sign Edwin Jackson for as much as they did in hopes of having him on a competing pitching staff down the road, it makes you value someone like Sale more. I'd rather use the pieces I might get for him to try and actually rebuild than hope the timing of it just happens to coincide with his current contract structure...

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ May 5, 2013 -> 01:35 PM) Did anyone see Stoney and Hawk going out about a pitch that disagreed on going out of the park or being tough to hit? Yeah, that was awesome...

QUOTE (fathom @ May 5, 2013 -> 01:33 PM) In my opinion, the two guys you absolutely don't consider trading in the organization are Sale and Santiago (Santiago is way more valuable to the Sox than as a trade chip). Why would you not trade Sale?

QUOTE (fathom @ May 5, 2013 -> 01:30 PM) You are giving 2005 jphat a run for his money for most optimistic poster ever Then you corrupted him into the most pessimistic poster ever (after yourself)

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 5, 2013 -> 01:11 PM) Mostly relievers. There's Santiago, but Quintana was "developed" by the Yankees. Santos came from the D-Backs and was a SS. Axelrod was a 30th round pick of the Padres. We can/should take credit for Gio, Hudson, Clayton Richard, etc. But we mismanaged those assets in the case of Gio/Hudson. If you believe that Hahn can continue to have the same luck finding prospects from other organizations and not end up with more Zach Stewarts and Nestor Molinas instead. Roy Halladay is DONE. Put a fork in him. ERA well above 6 now. How many quality big league pitchers have come out of our system in recent years? It doesn't matter where we got them, or who drafted them, or what position they used to play. Say what you want about our "ranking." The system has done exactly what it is supposed to do, in fact, far more than most.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 5, 2013 -> 12:56 PM) And how is that? Trading from one of the three worst farm systems in all of baseball? Do you realize how many big league pitchers that system has produced in the last 3-4 years?

I chose no one is to blame...they are pretty much right where I figured they would be.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 4, 2013 -> 04:46 PM) Millions of different personalities, shack. Some definitely leave something to be desired. Yeah, I shouldn't generalize, you are right.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ May 4, 2013 -> 09:17 AM) Ya I'm not really sure why Gavin got so much s*** around here. Dude has been a very solid pitcher since we got him. Definitely time to move on but I wish him the best. It's because he has the talent to be so much better than he has been...and he just comes off as so aloof...it's not that much unlike Rios has been in his career...you see this guy who could be one of the better players in the League, and that shows flashes of it, but then other times struggles so mightily, and yet doesn't really seem to be upset about that himself. That sort of player is just difficult to observe and difficult to watch struggle.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 4, 2013 -> 05:23 AM) The general public is incredibly misinformed on the things police are allowed, or even expected, to do. You'd be surprised how often people view a situation as police brutality or the like, when the officer was entirely in his legal right. The ignorance is very frustrating. I agree, Milk, but I've encountered many officers who act as incredibly surprised that I am aware of my legal rights. I can't tell you how many times I have been encountered by an officer for whatever reason, and acted entirely polite, but also with a full knowledge of my legal rights, only to be badgered or called a smart ass, or treated harshly because I actually know what the police are and are not allowed to ask of me. Many, many officers are not exactly "sharp" on criminal procedure and thus tend to get nervous and defensive when they encounter a citizen who actually is aware of what an officer can and cannot ask of him.