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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 10:57 PM) Payroll is down 24 percent from last season. Attendance is down 9%. I guess your evidence would show funds are available. No, my evidence would show that they are trying to recoup funds from last year by slashing this year's operating budget. It is a widely undertaken measure in the business world, DA.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 10:54 PM) So no evidence. All your doing is guessing. Glad we got that cleared up. We are all speculating, absolutely. I certainly can not claim to have access to the White Sox financial records. But I am tying my argument to publicly-released figures regarding payroll and attendance, and tying them to our roster moves and acquisitions to try and fill in the gaps. You are going off of vague rumors by Peter Gammons.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 10:49 PM) My argument all along tonight has been if they have money for Soler, they have money to add to this year's roster, and I don't like KW using Sox fans as a pawn when asked about finances. He can cry poor all he wants, a lot of teams do, but don't imply it has anything to do with attendance. He really tried not to, I'll give him that, but in the end, he said it was a factor. It IS a factor. And he is not using the Sox fans as a pawn. Please explain how he is using them as a pawn. Regardless of what your argument all along has been, that certainly does not make it my argument all along. We have been raising many different points on this same topic for probably 6 years now and the crux hasn't changed. You demand the Club spend every penny they can possibly scrape up in any scenario, or else they are not entitled to mention attendance as a factor in making future acquisitions. I claim that is a ridiculous assertion.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 10:48 PM) I actually read the entire argument right before I posted the first time as I always do. Like I said there is no evidence for your arguments. There certainly is. I'll give you a hint, despite the continued assertions that "I always do" this and that. I'll give you a hint: All you have to do is look at the payroll versus attendance and the performance of the team over the course of that last 7 years and you can see all the evidence you need.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 10:46 PM) You still cant deliver. How unfortunate. Honestly, just because you are too lazy to go back and re-read the thread doesn't make you any less wrong, Baron.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 10:43 PM) Yeah I know...I just dont have the same grasp on life that he does. The all knowing shack. Really, I do appreciate that you both have resorted to "ganging up" on me. This wouldn't be entertaining enough for me to continue if it weren't for the both of you.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 10:40 PM) DA and I posted the source for our argument. Its right there all written down. You can view it at any time if you wish. Great so no evidence at all.You havent supplied any throughout this entire thread. I'm sorry you don't have the ability to read a large passage of information and extract the critical information from it.

Dick, I see you are having trouble quoting the posts, so I will respond here. I certainly am not denying that is a point of the argument, but it certainly is not the whole argument. I would characterize the "whole" argument as being that simply because Kenny has said that the attendance is hurting his ability to make in-season acquisitions does not mean other money does not exist, or that an acquisition may not be forthcoming, or that he is necessarily lying if said acquisitions were to be made. I certainly would argue that Soler and our financial position going forward this season are not necessarily linked, which does seem to be one of the arguments you are making. We have been having this very same argument far before either you or I even knew who Soler was.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 10:37 PM) Really where is the evidence then? I had evidence backing my argument up. I want to see yours. You do not have any evidence whatsoever. That continues to be one of the reasons why we don't agree. I've already stated what my evidence is, and if you want to know what that is, you can go back and re-read the thread. I think it would be beneficial for you for other reasons anyway.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 10:34 PM) I dont want to drink thank you very much. I just think your entire argument was pointless,called out people and had absolutely no evidence to support it. All of this combined made you look like a fool. There is plenty of evidence to support it. You just choose to ignore this. And whether you believe me to be a fool or not is of no consequence to me, Baron.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 10:34 PM) This whole argument has been if they had money for Soler they have money for an upgrade or 2. You argued that isn't the case. Fine. When they acquire someone your apology will be accepted as long as its sincere. That has not been my argument.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 09:30 PM) I knew exactly what you meant. No need to explain. George Carlin's quote did apply though. Yes, I think it did too. Which is the reason you should drink. There is a great Sinatra quote which also applies.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 09:28 PM) I see you missed the George Carlin quote. He is actually the one who said that. Ahh, when I said "By George," I didn't mean Carlin.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 10:25 PM) I have a very low tolerance for stupid bull****. Probably because you don't drink, Baron.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 10:24 PM) That was his original post. I stopped arguing his original post when I originally responded to it.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 10:22 PM) I havent had a drink in my life actually. By George, I think we have found the elusive solution to your chronic uptightness...

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 10:22 PM) Learn how to read. Here's my original post you started arguing. Isn't it a little strange KW rmentioned the attendance perhaps hurting his ability to add to the current roster only days after Peter Gammons reported the Sox offered Soler $25-30 million? Either Gammons is lying or KW is lying about being strapped for cash. Throughout the thread you've stated several times, in perhaps every way possible, that the White Sox have money to spend right now. Are you honestly trying to amend that now to be a conditional statement?

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 09:20 PM) You understand real life better than me though. Maybe you should try to give Kenny a lesson since your so knowledgeable. No, I am the Kenny supporter...DA will remind you of that when you sober up.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 09:19 PM) Because there is no audience on the planet capable of understanding your argument. That's honestly the best you can do? Because I can keep lighting you both up all night long...

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 09:18 PM) Ill give Kenny a call and ask him. Well if I had known you had his number this whole time I would have asked you to call him a long time ago!

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 09:18 PM) What affirmative statement. I mentioned Gammons report. I said one of them is lying. I didn't say which one. I did say if Gammons was accurate, KW's crying poor is, once again, BS like it was before Peavy, Rios, Jackson and Ramirez, and for that matter Dunn, Konerko and AJP. That the White Sox have money to spend right now.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 09:16 PM) This is what he does when he is out of bullets. I think he's starting to realize his ridiculousness. No, it's what I do when I realize the audience I am debating with is incapable of understanding the argument I am making.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 09:15 PM) Yeah I dont trust those sports writers like Peter Gammons who has been doing this for most of his life and has sources all around Major League Baseball. Me neither.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 09:14 PM) As I said either Gammons or KW was lying. Maybe you have evidence the Sox didn't make Soler the offer Gammons claimed. If the Sox had money for Soler, they have money to pick someone up. They only have to pay them for half a season. Soler would require some sort of bonus and salary this season, so your future payroll argument is moot. You're making an affirmative statement which requires an assumption to be made if it is to be considered valid. I'm pointing out that there is no information available to us today which allows us to make that assumption, and thus, your affirmative statement is invalid. Do you understand the distinction?

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 09:12 PM) Every watched Pulp Fiction? I guess not. Im typing in perfect English. If you cant read thats not my fault. Apparently you are drunk.