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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 09:12 PM) Not in itself. But you are wrong. And you're argument is gettin even more ridiculous. Well there it is! It is settled at last. I am wrong!

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 09:11 PM) What is yours? For someone who always demands evidence, you certainly never back up your goofiness with evidence. I don't need evidence, Dick. All I stated was that one cannot use our rumored interest in Soler as evidence that we have money to spend on player acquisitions for this year. That does not require evidence. There is a difference between pointing out the gaps in your logic and making a statement myself which depends on some form of actual evidence for its validity.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 09:09 PM) Do a quick google search on Soler and the bids. Its a easy 5 second google search. You have a very low threshold of proof, my friend.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 09:10 PM) Do they speak english on what? Excuse me? I am having trouble understanding you.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 09:08 PM) You said you know their general finanical position, and are arguing that even if they offered Soler $25-30 million they don't have money available to acquire players, because the point I was making was if they have money for Soler, they have money to upgrade. You are saying no. That money isn't for in season acquisitions. Every post you're making on this is making me laugh even more. Well I am certainly glad you are enjoying this. However, the fact that you are laughing certainly is not anything to suggest I am wrong.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 09:08 PM) Apparently your mad. Im not the one talking down to people here and saying they need to be talked to like children. My what is mad?

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 09:06 PM) Its fun to ignore evidence What is your evidence?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 09:05 PM) Yeah, I don't understand life. I wish I could learn from you. I wish you could too. Then we wouldn't have to engage in these ridiculous debates for the benefit of your increased understanding.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 09:00 PM) If it is, you're saying JR has money to spend, but not to be used to help the team win this year. Its really a dumb argument. Do you realize JR wants to win as much as anyone, and he knows his time will be up fairly soon? I've not said JR has no money to spend.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 09:03 PM) How dare you question him! You dont know the complexities of real life! What exactly is your agenda here then, Baron? Because you certainly aren't adding anything to this discussion (although I don't know why that would surprise anyone that is accustomed to reading your posts).

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 09:02 PM) The position I do take is that I do not need to audit the team's financials to understand their general financial position. How do you do that? Every team is unique. Its not the NFL. And you know for a fact the White Sox don't have money to acquire a significant player or 2 this season. You're so smart. At no time have I made that statement.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 08:59 PM) I had no other agenda than to see why you didnt know that we bid on Soler. You seem to think if it doesnt come out of Kenny's mouth then we dont know. I think it's pretty clear why I didn't know that we bid on Soler.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 08:58 PM) If it is, you're saying JR has money to spend, but not to be used to help the team win this year. Its really a dumb argument. And this proves my point that some fans need to be treated as children, because they are incapable of understanding the complexities of real life.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 09:56 PM) Or just like your entire argument. Pointless. It was only apparently pointless because you aren't trying to engage in an actual debate, but instead because you are carrying out some other agenda.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 09:53 PM) Yet you take KW saying the Sox have no funds to spend as gospel. LMAO. I absolutely do not. I've made that abundantly clear. It's unfortunate that you don't seem to have the capacity to comprehend the entirety of my posts. The position I do take is that I do not need to audit the team's financials to understand their general financial position.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 09:49 PM) Yeah that literally has nothing to do with White Sox. Unless he thinks that Jerry and company are broke. That's why it was an analogy...an analogy is not meant to have anything to do literally with the actual subject of the conversation. It's an explanatory device because the audience was not understanding any literal or other means of explanation.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 09:48 PM) Excuse me bid. So nothing to add? You opened the nitpicking pandora's box, not me, my friend. No, you simply can't take a little blurb that says we were in on Soler to mean we have a secret cache of funds that Kenny is instead using to buy furniture for his home with instead of improving the club. We have a history as good as any team in baseball of adding players at the deadline for the sake of improving the club, even when it's probably against fairly long odds that we will win the division. If you have an issue with that, as many do, it should be that we are squandering available funds trying to improve the club, not hoarding potential funds for other reasons.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 09:47 PM) Wow. Worst post ever. It's a very good analogy.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 09:43 PM) So because it didnt come out of Kenny's mouth that means that the sports writers who have sources are wrong about our bet? I wasn't aware that we had a bet, Baron.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 09:41 PM) Why is it you always argue things like its a privately owned company we know nothing, yet you claim to know everything? If we have no idea what we are talking about, neither do you. Because my assumptions are based on all the things that are actually happening....actual payroll numbers, attendance figures, our Club's behavior compared to those similarly-situated, while yours are based entirely on your own conspiracy theories which belie almost everything that is actually occurring in reality. Their general behavior pretty much matches what they say and what the publicly available numbers say. If you're going to propose the conspiracies, it's up to you to provide a little more evidence than "Forbes said they made $14 million last year and they claim they have no money! Liars!"

Do either of you two have children? If your kids ask you for a new XBox do you feel obliged to tell them that you have the money because you could possibly take a loan out or put it on your credit card or pay for it with cash intended to fix the garbage disposal? Just because it is possible that you could scrape up the money in a pinch does not mean you are lying to them when you say "I don't have the money for a new XBox right now."

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 08:31 PM) If they can make a $25M offer to Soler they have more money than any of us think. Doesn't matter what "budget" they are pulling it from. First of all we don't even know they made an offer on Soler. Secondly, I am sure the investors of the Club have money they can pull from when it is necessary. That does not mean it is considered generally available rather than utilizing traditional revenue sources such as gate revenues. You guys are both being incredible. This is not a publicly traded corporation, it's a freaking privately owned baseball franchise.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 08:24 PM) We have been told every dollar that comes in goes out. Considering the new rules for signing amatuers going into effect in a couple of weeks, wouldn't that $25-30 million that you laughingly are saying is being put aside for these kind of signings and not available for improving the major league club, most likely now be available? Dude, I know you want to argue anything I ever post, but you're really being ridiculous here. If money was available for Soler, and wasn't used, its available to help the team win this year. This has nothing to do with accounting. No it's not, Dick...they have a freaking payroll obligation spreadsheet they work off of. They can make signings for funds that will be paid in the future based off of future expected operating incomes. It's not like they were going to sign Jorge Soler and pay him his $25 million on the spot. I'm sure they have some money available, but it's probably not a ton right now. They've got to prioritize their goals and use it expeditiously. Why else would they shed salary mid-season if it wasn't because they determined the cash targeted for that player was either better spent elsewhere or not spent at all, potentially because it doesn't exist? I think it's pretty clear that Kenny and Jerry operate "on the fly" quite a bit, with the knowledge that they can always shed some salary if need be in a pinch. I think it's fair for the investors of the team to be able to take some small portion of any revenues without "owing" that to you. They can still say they have no money and give that small percentage to the investors and not be being disingenuous. But apparently you would like them to do an anal probe of their books for your benefit. This obsession you have with the team's finances has crossed the line of ridiculous to the realm of absolute insanity.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 09:11 PM) Of course it doesn't, but find a different target than your fanbase or don't say anything at all. I just have a hard time with the perception that the White Sox don't get the support they deserve. They charge a lot of money to go to their games. One of the most expensive tickets in baseball before we get into dynamic pricing. Their performance hasn't been top 5 in baseball very often even though that is what they charge. I just wish they would stop finding a way to mention their lack of funds, and sort of ,kind of ,pointing their collective fingers at the fanbase. The reality is, the more money KW has spent in recent years, the worse the team seems to have performed. Maybe that is something he should point out when the press hounds him about finances. I just don't understand how you could be a CPA and not see the different budgets that are in play here. I am sure each area has a budget and they try to stay within those budgets. Signing Soler would probably come out of a different budget than the one intended for making in-season acquisitions. I know our Organization gets creative with money, and will pull from one area to another and vice versa, but I am not sure what you would have them do. Signing Soler is probably based on payrolls in the future and not necessarily money they have right now from which to draw against. How could you possibly not get your mind around that as an accountant?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 21, 2012 -> 02:34 PM) I understand that, but raising them 50% isn't the answer. Buying early should be rewarded. Season ticketholders should pay the lowest price. The pick 7 people, I can see if there are tickets available to sell, sell them at the price they paid if you can't get more. Wasn't the pricing using the Dynamic model supposed to fluctuate based on all sorts of factors? If the Sox insist on charging what they were charging for those games its a sign they had no problem no one wound up sitting in those seats. Its not on White Sox fans. Outside of the Cubs series...are the tickets usually $90 for bleacher seats?