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Can we get this ugly thing archived already?

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Apr 27, 2012 -> 10:35 AM) I'm surprised that DeCastro fell that far. I guess teams aren't big on taking guards in the first round. There have only been 2 taken in the first round in the last 15 years or something.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 27, 2012 -> 07:32 AM) Didn't the Bears just draft for need? Jesus, why don't you just put it on a tee for him...

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 27, 2012 -> 08:25 AM) It probably means you should expect to be disagreed with, and to be able to accept that. I've got no problem being disagreed with. I think it's gone a bit beyond that.

Known for his powerhouse arm in the outfield?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 27, 2012 -> 08:20 AM) It also tends to be the biggest cluster of negativity out there. Viciedo is the Golden Boy that fans are hoping will fill the void left by Gordon Beckham. Having an opinion that he won't pan out as expected is certainly not going to be popular. I guess that means that means that opinion is wrong to express in the first place.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Apr 27, 2012 -> 01:13 AM) Just because you think the Bears needed a guard more than a defensive end doesnt it make it the right assessment. I dont know enough about this kid to say if its a total bust of a pick yet but a pass rushing de/olb was absolutely one of the "glaring needs" you discussed. Also I dont know how you figure this kid is a backup already. He might not be the starter right away but they wouldnt have drafted him to be the backup and only play special teams. Idonije didnt have a great season last year and its not like Roach is setting the world on fire at OLB. Also, defensive lineman rotate a lot. Just because a guy isnt named the starter doesnt mean he wont get a good number of snaps. Well I'm glad you can admit this...otherwise, call me shocked that you're not employed by an NFL team with this kind of knowledge and foresight.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 27, 2012 -> 08:16 AM) He's 23 freakin' years old. Some GM's will still consider guys like Matt Thornton or Joe Borchard prospects into their late 20's even. I agree. This is why I'm advocating trading him while he still holds some value.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 27, 2012 -> 08:14 AM) I'm the one smoking the opium when there are only two posters on this entire site arguing/supporting your case, and maybe Greg if Viciedo had a bad game the night before will join in on "your side" too? Sure, if you say so. Or maybe it's a White Sox message board and the readers that actually post the most, especially outside of game threads, tend to be among the most optimistic fans? Are you honestly trying to argue that I can't have an opinion that I don't like the guy as a prospect? And if I did want to have such an opinion I need to compile a history of prior posts supporting said opinion going back four years, despite no statement that I disliked the signing in the first place?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 27, 2012 -> 07:07 AM) I actually get what he's trying to say here, if you have a crime riddled neighborhood and the police on their own aren't helping so you establish and push a hard watch program and really try to catch the people who are causing the problem. You might even have patrols, you might even come up with a way to have the patrols identifiable so that people on the streets know who it is who is following them. I draw the line at having them armed. Once you arm them, you're setting up a situation with a disturbingly high probability of lethal force being employed if there ever is any sort of confrontation, and that event would be involving people who are, compared to police, almost completely untrained. I'm trying to get the Texas perspective, not the Pasadena, CA transplant to Knoxville, TN perspective. The problem with people "taking back their neighborhood," especially one that is so crime ridden that police patrols and arrests are not having much effect, is the degree to which you now step up the potential of things like innocent people being shot and killed. I think you and I agree on that. I get the frustration. I get the desire to not rely on an ineffective police force. I get the desire to just do something different. But choosing an even worse alternative, which is inserting untrained or ill-trained civilians into high-danger situations, and adding weapons to that equation, does not strike me as something that has much potential to remedy the situation.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 27, 2012 -> 08:04 AM) I've defended Viciedo from Day One. Where's your track record going back to 2008/09/10/11 predicting his failure? Simply based on his major league at-bats in 2011 and 2012? If you can see all of his flaws, what makes you think every GM in the game wouldn't have already identified them years ago when they had a chance to sign him and passed? Why does it matter since when you have defended him and since when I have predicted failure? I never stated I hated the signing, or I've hated him as a prospect since 2008 or 2009. Put down the opium, dude. I never claimed to be a professional scout, nor have I claimed there is no room for disagreement amongst those professional scouts or GMs. What I have stated several times now is that I would like to move him now, while there still are people that are high on him, and before the scouting and GM community does reach a consensus that he isn't a good MLB prospect any longer. A few times some of you guys defending him have stated that he doesn't have much value on the trade market, of which I have stated I disagree. If he doesn't have that value, than what exactly are you seeing that the professionals are not?

QUOTE (Tex @ Apr 27, 2012 -> 06:25 AM) Is there a number when it is ok to actually take back your neighborhood from criminals? You are painting this out as every time someone patrols their neighborhood something tragic happens. There are thousands of people p[atrolling their neighborhoods without problems. We hear of gang infested neighborhoods where people are afraid to be outside at night. People need to take back their homes and neighborhoods not hide like scared children. What exactly do you mean by "take back your neighborhood"? And how exactly are most untrained "neighborhood watch" members going to accomplish this, exactly?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 27, 2012 -> 08:00 AM) I'd like to be proven wrong, but I'm going to guess the only reason why a person would specifically say we have Viciedo for less time than Lee is that person doesn't understand that Viciedo has the same arbitration path as a normal ballplayer. If that was the case, this would be his final year with us, and he would have definitely not been worth the wait

Wow...defensive, anyone? Pardon anyone who doesn't see the guy panning out...

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Apr 26, 2012 -> 09:40 PM) Not at 19 they didn't! If he turns into a very good player, who gives a s***? No one wants to give away draft value for free, but if you hit on a solid starter in the 1st round, you've made a good pick, at least once you get outside of the top 8 picks or so.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 26, 2012 -> 08:22 PM) I had to double check who you were replying to in case you were being an asshole. It's like a free insult I get to use as a result of his handle...

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 26, 2012 -> 09:14 PM) Viciedo will be silencing his critics soon. We will mark your words, Dick

QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 26, 2012 -> 08:00 PM) As much as people hate my Ozzie posts and repetitive posts, I dislike the optimistic posts every night. Most of us know the standings. We also know the eye test is indicating the White Sox are a .500 team at best. So WHY THE HELL DO YOU COME HERE?

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Apr 26, 2012 -> 08:57 PM) Shea McClellin - DE - Boise S is the pick. Nice call?..or apparently you heard it before Espn revealed it

QUOTE (lostfan @ Apr 26, 2012 -> 08:53 PM) Yes Golic has me convinced to take DeCastro.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Apr 26, 2012 -> 08:49 PM) Wright is also still on the board. That's the WR from Baylor?

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Apr 26, 2012 -> 07:48 PM) Yup, just saw that. I hope we take DeCastro...Golic has me convinced

s***, I'd take the guard

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Apr 26, 2012 -> 07:46 PM) Bears are on the clock. SD is

Bad call, blue