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QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:33 PM) Is it too much to ask KW and Ozzie to do some research about how a guy would fit in, in the locker room, before spending a ton of resources to acquire them (ie: OC and Swisher). Ozzie do research? He is a stubborn mule and JR is too baseball incompetent and loyal to fire him. Kenny can only try and put the pieces on the roster he needs. He obviously has no control over how they are implemented.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:31 PM) Just checked the whitesox.com board, and the original tweeter seems to have a good track record on getting trade info. http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx...&tid=115142 If it happens tomorrow, I'll tip my cap. But common sense says Edwin Jackson doesn't stay with Toronto past Sunday. This Kona guy has broken a few deals before. I remember his name.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:26 PM) I can't defend a GM who, given a 127 million dollar payroll, put together a team that has been under .500 almost all season and struggling to tread water in a bad division. Then don't defend him. But jesus christ, he signed what many of you described as the perfect fit for the offense last offseason, and the guy is inexplicably having one of the worst seasons of any modern-day player in baseball history, and it's the GM's fault? The players we need are on the roster. Our manager can't get out of their way long enough to put together a win streak. I blame Ozzie. But whatever.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:23 PM) CWS get Rasmus STL gets Jackson, TOR prospect TOR gets Teahen I really have no clue. This simply doesn't make sense. That would go over extremely well in Toronto.

Well, I am obviously the big KW supporter here....so I'll take the criticism, but I sure as hell can't fault the guy for assembling the best rotation in the division, the best bullpen in the division, and what should be an offense as good as any other in the division, only to watch the players fail. This s*** with Adam Dunn is absolutely inexplicable. If he was hitting anywhere close to his career average we are in first place right now. If this deal is true, and it isn't, then I am clearly wrong about the guy because this is a panic move.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:16 PM) It's not just Teahen. It's Dunn, Rios, and Peavy too. If we rebuild next year then those guys are going to be taking up a whole lot of what JR is going to greenlight. And even now, those guys aren't going anywhere, so the money has to come from somewhere if we need to add another high salary guy. I mean, who else can we trade that makes money and doesn't turn us into a pure seller? Also, I'm not sure we would get a player for Edwin that the board here would think is worth it. We'd probably get a couple guys who are far away and can't help right now. Getting Frasor to help now, plus the possible comp, plus dumping Teahen, plus a prospect? In my eyes this is a great move, especially if there is another one coming. I hate losing the SP depth and that could really, really hurt us, although we definitely need the other arm in the pen. And no matter what, our offense is going to have to get us into the playoffs since the pitching is already doing its job, and this move does not detract from the offense. I like it if true. If that's what is happening here then you trade everything of value you have now and let Teahen and his $10 million play next year while you let these prospects you just traded for develop. You don't kill the value of your assets by attaching some s***ty $5 million a year player to the deal. It's not like you're trying to ditch a really big contract here. And if you are really DYING to get rid of Teahen, you ride this thing out til Sunday afternoon to see what value you can build as the deadline approaches. You sure as s*** don't do it on Tuesday night.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 11:13 PM) So it's a good trade for KW because it dumps Teahen's salary yet the Teahen extension was a tremendous f***up on KW's behalf that next to no one thought was a good idea at the time? I love how KW makes bad trades to cover up for bad trades, that's been his MO over the past few years. So 6 years of Dan Hudson for a season's worth of good production from Jackson (which won us nothing), 2 months of Frasor and maybe Type B compensation. Must we give away good starting pitching in every f***ing trade? Go over budget spending a s*** ton of money on players who don't produce so then you're apparently forced to dump good starting pitching for a reliever, a prospect that I assume will be mediocre and a supp. pick in a god damn seller's market because your team sucks and thus attendance is s*** and you need to start slashing payroll. I pray the prospect is good but I don't see why Toronto would throw in a minor leaguer that's worth a damn, it makes no sense. Come on...$10 million isn't going to force us to make this mistake.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:09 PM) They're in on Ubaldo, and maybe have decided they can't get him and would rather go after Edwin and take their chances they can sign him long term. So then we would only be trading the two to Toronto because they would be willing to take on Teahen's salary in order to get back a much better prospect from Colorado because the Rockies cannot afford to take Teahen's salary from us. If the $10 million owed to Teahen over the next few years is that much of a noose around our necks right now, then I really fear this impending roster turnover.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:04 PM) Mark Teahen is an inverse stud weighing down the value of Jackson. If Jackson = Frasor + very good prospect OR Jackson = Frasor + Teahen's deal off the books + halfway decent prospect, then I'll take that second deal 7 days per week. It's much, much, much easier to buy a prospect that BA will slurp all over than it is to dump a terrible contract. It would be absolutely foolish to waste Jackson's value (or at least what I believe to be his value right now) to shed Teahen's salary. Foolish foolish foolish. Teahen is owed about $10 million over the next two years. Truly a waste of money indeed. But certainly not enough to miss an opportunity to get a very good prospect out of Jackson due to the pitching market.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:02 PM) You do realize Edwin Jackson is most likely a 2 month rental or will cost a ton next year, and while ultra talented his performance has been far from consistent. You really don't know what you would be getting. You may get 2 months of Cy Young calibur pitching or 5th starter numbers, if that. Teams are going away from giving top prospects for those types anymore. Look at the crap Cleveland got for CC, a far surer bet. His ERA with the White Sox over the past year has been very respectable. I'm not saying we're going to get Grady Sizemore and Cliff Lee, but I would think we would do better than a salary dump 5 full days before the deadline.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:58 PM) If they did this trade I think it shows that Jackson wasn't as highly coveted as you think. Yeah, and then I will admit I was dead wrong. But why don't we compile a list of SP's available with an ERA under 4 in the AL right now?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:51 PM) Jason Frasor is pretty good. He can help them this year. Not only that, they dump Mark Teahen. I can't believe your boy may make his best trade in a while and you are thinking about tearing down your shrine to him. I doubt "my boy" would talk about how the White Sox players are proving so popular on the marketplace and then go trade his main chip for Jason Frasor and a prospect yet to be named, on a Tuesday night. If it's really salary they need to dump, they can do it relatively easily. Unless they were getting an absolute can't miss prospect in the deal, it sure does seem like a head-scratcher to do this deal now rather than make the parties bid the market up higher as the deadline grows nearer. Only way you make this deal now is if the spect is an absolute stud. And given that we haven't heard his name yet, I highly doubt that.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 09:47 PM) Yeah, what I don't understand is why De Aza gets pulled from a minor league game, but Teahen a guy in the deal plays. Unless they just wanted to make sure De Aza was in Chicago tonight because of the early game tomorrow. If it is true, I give the trade a big thumbs up. The Sox sure could use the $4 million they blew on Manny last year for no apparent reason. $4 million? You don't don't think they could salary dump to the Red Sox or Yankees and actually get someone worth a s*** back in return?

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 09:47 PM) Paypal? Money order? You don't have to know him. Right. So when I win and he doesn't pay me I am going to call the Paypal team up to collect.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 09:45 PM) I'll take that bet. If I had a clue who you were I would do it in a heartbeat.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 10:42 PM) You mean 2 months of Frasor? This is nonsense. If it's true, I am ready for this regime to be through. But I'd bet about $5000 it's bs.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 09:38 PM) This would be a good move. Frasor will help lessen Crain's load. The bullpen should be nails. I don't know what people reastically think the Sox could get for 2 months of Jackson, and they get rid of Teahen's contract. Beautiful if its true. I don't believe this trade would be made on Tuesday if that were true. Kenny would hold out til Sunday if he was going to make a move like this.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 09:35 PM) Probably think they can get something better than what they could get for Frasor. Isn't Frasor a FA after this year? I don't believe this for one f***ing second. There is too much of a market out there for EJax right now.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 09:33 PM) My boy's comin home? This is a lonnnnng time coming, but is this really the best EJax gets us? Frasor went to SIU, yes?

The only Toronto spect I know is Hechavarria.

Nonsense. WTF does TORONTO want with Jackson?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 09:30 PM) Yep, if only we had another starter in our organization besides Buerhle, Jackson, Danks and Floyd that can give you a real good 5 innings but might struggle later in games. Just let Humber pitch 6 and let Peavy finish his games.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 09:29 PM) Holy s***, did he really say that? He's the same idiot that would probably let a 16 game winner with a 6 ERA start game 1 in the postseason over a 10 game winner with a 2 ERA. He's afraid to take Jake out before it's clear he's gassed. That much is obvious. When Cooper called to get Ohman up they should have been stalling the s*** out of the game to get him warm. But Ozzie is too afraid of Jake's "fire."

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 26, 2011 -> 09:28 PM) He has to have one of the worst quality starts/games starter percentages in the AL He'd be a perfect long reliever right now.

Just go get the win tomorrow and we're in good shape. Then we face Wakefield, Miller, and moLester this weekend.