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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 12, 2011 -> 07:42 AM) The other problem with the deal is that Jeff Green isn't a very good basketball player. Oh no, not you too...

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 11, 2011 -> 08:25 AM) Here's a random question. Where does that money go? NBA Charities? Well, most of it is salary he is getting docked. So I assume the team will donate it? I doubt they just keep it.

The cost of that cheap shot by Bynum? $702k. Ouch.

Good discussion everyone. One of the better threads we've had here in awhile.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 9, 2011 -> 12:53 PM) I didn't see Cepeda or Perez, but looking at Eddie Murray he was an eight time all-star, six times top 5 MVP balloting, including two runner's up, and a Rookie of the Year award. He also had 3 gold gloves and two silver slugger awards. And I will say again, 500 homers in that era means a lot more to me. Point taken. I think PK puts up these numbers in any era though. He just came along when a lot of other guys benefitted from steroids and the smaller ballparks.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ May 9, 2011 -> 11:43 AM) 500 homeruns or not, has anyone ever ever ever thought of Pauly as an elite player in this league? The guy is a very good player who before last year pretty much put up just above average numbers for his position, nothing spectacular. Just because he's had a long career of being good doesn't make him a hall of famer. Take a look at some of the other people in the HoF. I grew up in much of Eddie Murray's prime. He was a great hitter, but certainly never struck me as an "elite" player.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ May 9, 2011 -> 11:39 AM) The problem with that is, nobody knows who was clean. We only know for sure the ones who have failed tests. I understand, but I think there are some guys who have never been questioned or under any suspiscion...PK would fit into that group. All in all, I don't think they will just throw out the entire era.

IF, PK does get to 500 HR...I have to think he compares pretty favorably to guys like Eddie Murray, Orlando Cepda, Tony Perez, etc....although I will admit there are just a ton of big-hitting 1b's coming out of this era that are probably clean....

QUOTE (scenario @ May 9, 2011 -> 11:26 AM) 500 homeruns gets you in. That's how I feel, and I feel like the writers are going to make examples of the guys who are known to be clean and classy guys as well, which would play to his advantage.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 9, 2011 -> 11:54 AM) He hasn't even gotten to 400 homers yet. I'm not going to assume he is going to hit 500. All of my arguments here are under the assumption that he would reach 500. I thought that was the premise.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 9, 2011 -> 10:51 AM) I don't know anything about Konerko off of the field, but there is no way of knowing that, thanks to Bud Selig and company. If there was ever a player I would feel comfortable betting a lot of money that never used steriods, PK would be him.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 9, 2011 -> 10:45 AM) Mattingly has an MVP, a #2 finish, and a 4 year stretch where his OPS+ was 156, 156, 161, and 146. Konerko has topped 140 in OPS+ only 1 time in his career; last season, where he put up 156. His OPS+ in that 2004-2006 stretch went 127, 136, 134. I don't give a crap. 500 home runs is the milestone for players not suspected of using steroids, is it not? And as for the smaller ballparks, not many of PK's home runs are cheap. I tend to think he would be pretty darn close to where he is now had he played in any era.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 9, 2011 -> 10:44 AM) Brady Anderson's best year blows away anything Konerko has ever done too. The point of the Hall of Fame is that you are very successful for a very long period of time. Just because a guy has a 2-3 year run where he's a great player doesn't qualify him as better than someone who has been very successful for a very long time. I get that Mattingly was a bit better than that, but he really wasn't much better. From 1984-87, he was one of the best hitters in the game. At every other point in his career, he was just OK. I also get that Mattingly's career was ended by a back injury, but the Hall of Fame can hold that against him. Comparing their respective careers, I would say that Konerko has been better. He hasn't had the peak seasons Mattingly had, but he's had much better years otherwise and is still healthy enough that he'll be signed until he's 37. Oh, and if Konerko does make it to 500 homers, it'd be a hell of an accomplishment. He has to average 34 homers a year from now until 2014, or 27 a year from now until 2015. He would be 39 during the 2015 season. I'm pretty sure that Matsui is the only player in the last 3 years to hit even 20 homers at age 37. Manny would have two years ago as well had he not been suspended for steroid use, which is pretty much a dead giveaway as to what was going on there. Frank Thomas was the last guy to even 30 at age 38, and the last to hit 25 at the age of 39. He was one of the greatest hitters of all time. (I may also be mistaken on those, so don't quote me exactly)If Konerko gets to 500 home runs, he should absolutely be in the Hall of Fame. He is not going to get to 500 homers barring a minor miracle. Eh, it pretty much is. 222 is not that impressive of a number. It may be like 300 in today's game, but it wasn't a complete deadball era. Thome?

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ May 9, 2011 -> 10:35 AM) He belongs no where near the Hall. So you're saying he would potentially be the first non-steroid guy to reach the 500 HR milestone and not make the HoF?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 9, 2011 -> 10:27 AM) Comparing eras, no it isn't. Come on, man...Mattingly was a better pure hitter, but he played at a position which traditionally features big power numbers. You're honestly going to say the "era" is responsible for the difference between 500 HR and 222?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 9, 2011 -> 08:47 AM) The eras were also very different offensively, plus Mattingly's best year blows away anything Konerko has ever done. Blah blah blah....222 is still 222.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 9, 2011 -> 08:30 AM) Which without his being in the playoffs every year, he has a career amazingly like Don Mattingly. Some great offensive years, never really the best at his position, and nothing spectacular in his career when compared to his era. Konerko has much better offensive numbers than Mattingly. Mattingly has 222 career home runs. If the question is if PK reaches 500 HR, will he make the HoF, the two players don't seem all that similar to me.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 9, 2011 -> 09:27 AM) Yes, currently the only players who have hit 500+ HR and not been elected to the HOF are the steroid guys. Fred McGriff is the interesting case. He was a very very good hitter for a decade, and wound up with 493 HR. He has not made the HOF and probably won't. Yet, if he'd hit 7 more HR in his career, would that have made him a HOF-er? I'd say Konerko is the same question here. Maybe if he wasn't in the Tom Emansky commercials he would get more respect...

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 9, 2011 -> 08:15 AM) If PK14 pulled a Fred McGriff and wound up on ~497 HR, would you think he was a HOF-er? That, I am not so sure about. But with the stance the writers seem to be taking on the guys that used steroids, one would think they would want to reward the players who were never really under suspicion. Perhaps you're right, after rethinking things a bit, but the 500 HR has been the magic number in the past, has it not been?

I disagree with you guys. I think if he reaches the 500 HR milestone, he will definitely make the HoF, and I think he gets in because the writers will reward him for being a clean player in an era of dirty players.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 9, 2011 -> 07:55 AM) I don't think Crawford "mauled" him, I think there was a lot of contact but Rose generated the contact by jumping towards Crawford. It seems like the NBA has not been calling the foul where the defender bites on a fake and jumps in the air, and the offensive player generates contact by recognizing he has the defender in the air and jumping into him. I saw Loul do the same thing earlier and no foul was called. But what are the odds that he "inadvertently" blows his whistle right at that moment? What a load of bs.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 9, 2011 -> 05:24 AM) O RLY? http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=6510882 Thats funny, because even Bennett Salvatore thought it was a foul It wasnt the reason they lost the game, but that was a critical non-call at a critical time, and even the ref that made the non-call admitted he screwed up I don't think we were going to win that game anyway, but he knew it was a foul when he blew the whistle. Everyone on earth knew it was a foul. He chicken s***ted out.

QUOTE (chw42 @ May 8, 2011 -> 07:09 PM) Zaza Pachulia's a damn soccer player. Boozer probably did push off on his fouls, but Pachulia sells it like he just got drop kicked.

Looks like they may be starting to turn it around...some guys appear to be having a bit of fun out there...keep it going fellas.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 7, 2011 -> 09:39 PM) Duh, you think the Hawks are a mentally weak team, you get a double digit lead early on the Heat and they give up quicker than any team in the league. I thought they'd bring it up a notch now that the postseason is here. They could have put this series to bed with a win tonight. I expected maximum effort. Instead, it almost seems like they're trying to play rope-a-dope today.