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Hell yeah!

Sure seemed like another delay of game missed

Give up the stretch play. Come on.

Horrible play calling. Jesus.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 01:03 PM) Flying Southwest for the first time on New Years Eve. We booked the "Wanna Get Away" ticket because it was the cheapest, anyone have experience with that? All the time. I rarely have a complaint with Southwest. Be sure to check in 24 hours ahead of each flight. If you're in the B group for loading you'll get good seat. Anything in C and you're probably getting a middle seat.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 10:22 AM) Serious question - what's the process for the City to settle cases (I've had dealings with settling cases with cities in a couple states, but never Chicago)? Does it go to the City Council? Would the mayor have his hand in it? How detailed is the presentation? I guess my question here is whether it would be ordinary course for the City of Chicago to sign off on a $5M settlement without knowing there was a video... Usually handled by city attorneys and then they go before the council for approval of anything over 100k. I'd imagine, though I don't know for sure, that the Mayor is in the loop. edit: and they knew there was video. They've always known. I bet the Mayor's office new within a few days. The question was whether the video was ever going to be released to the public.

Not only that but he gave his opinion on what the video showed! The Fed investigation had nothing to do with the state's charges. The Feds only look into civil rights issues. That was a complete and utter lie by Alvarez. This was all about political timing.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 25, 2015 -> 08:57 AM) Alvarez's explanation for why it took over a year, that it's different because he's a cop whereas she can charge a gangbanger in a day, was...less than satisfying. Rahm's press conference was also a big train wreck. Tough to tell the truth: we had to wait for the elections to end!

Yeah that guy has to be locked up for a long, long time. 10 seconds of shooting. No real lunge towards the cops. I mean maybe he thought the guy was going to throw the knife at him? McDonald starts to turn around like a discus thrower, but you can't tell when those first shots hit him so maybe it was the shots that made him spin around. I also wonder if the cops were violating their own procedures. They should have been behind the doors of their cars I would think, not so exposed.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 03:30 PM) That doesn't really answer either of those questions. Sorry I don't have the data available on every single anti-violence march from every city over the last ten years. Go do some googling and check out the Bmore and Ferguson protests. Seem to be more than 50 or 150 people taking part.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 03:22 PM) How sure of that are you? How do the numbers compare if you take ongoing movements and efforts and marches and compare those numbers to short-term events like Ferguson and Baltimore? The Coates article you linked cited numbers like 50 and 150, and some of the pictures/video didn't look like that much.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 03:15 PM) For the record, there were not tens of thousands of people at either Ferguson or Baltimore. Whatever. Thousands. Still a good number more.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 03:03 PM) Last week when arguing for barring refugees, you were for any measure that made us "even 1% safer" from terrorism. Suggest such a thing to a conservative regarding guns in America and I don't think they'd be as receptive. There's a constitutional right at play with guns. There's no such right to immigrate into our country. And i've been on record being a-ok with a number of measures to further restrict who can buy a gun and what type of gun can be purchased.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 02:57 PM) What community? Why should someone from Rogers Park or Bronzeville go to Austin or Englewood. The local communities where the violence occurs and also the black community as a whole. For the same reason they showed up in B-More and Ferguson and maybe Chicago in the next few days.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 02:41 PM) but that's essentially what you're using to deflect attention from the issue of police violence--why aren't the same communities that protest police violence protesting people killing random people*? See above. Again, not to the same degree. Which is what i'm pointing out. The fact that it doesn't get the coverage (i.e., it doesn't involve that many people to warrant the coverage) proves my point. Marches of groups with hundreds of people versus tens of thousands taking to the streets in Bmore and Ferguson.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 02:39 PM) You need to re-read the first paragraph and bridge that analogy to what we are talking about. It's right there for the taking. When crime is centralized as it is here in the City, it's not at all random. We know the groups that commit the vast majority of the murders. Entirely different from mass shootings like Sandy Hook or the Colorado theater shooting. Not my community to fix.

Hopefully no one here does yoga or has family members that do yoga. If so, you/they promote and support oppression and genocide! https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning...mentrandom_3_na Jesus, how pathetic is that?

QUOTE (shysocks @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 02:25 PM) Why does the right have a conniption about refugees after the Paris attacks but shrug and say "nothin' you can do" when Sandy Hook gets shot up? As bmags said, this is not a phenomenon exclusive to one group of people. Again, it's motive. We know ISIS and AQ and the like want to kill Westerners. They threaten to attack the West all the time. They try to do it occasionally. That's something we can perceive as a real threat and actively work towards preventing. Crazy people killing random people in all corners of this country in all sorts of communities and locations is not something we can prevent.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 02:00 PM) The officer in this case has been charged. The lack of charges is what sparked those other incidents. I guess we'll see what happens when the video comes out. I'm not denying it's different, but there's nothing stopping people from taking those streets back in much the same way they protest downtown and/or riot in the streets in response to the Grey or Brown cases. Collectively standing up to gangs and thugs and telling them enough is enough. It takes a collective effort much like rioting does. Why doesn't that happen when the basis of the protests/riots is 100's of kids dead versus one or two.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 01:48 PM) I'm not sure rioting after a funeral is any better. Preferably riots will not happen in either case. But, this idea that mass groups of people may act differently to different crimes isn't restricted to any one American group. Look at any school or mass shooting, and imagine if the same act were done by a Daesh affiliate, or Al Qaeda. The hypothetical scenario may mobilize a war, cause national panic. But if its just one random white guy it gets some hot topics on gun control and then people move on and are generally not scared for their lives. Why is the reaction so different? The violence done by a radical group can make people feel like they are under attack, have war declared on them. Where the other just seems kind of random and isolated. Well that's pretty easy: motive. We know what the radical groups want to do and generally what types of people they want to attack. Random mass murders by crazy people can happen anywhere at anytime. You're less likely to be fearful of a totally random attack versus one that has been threatened before. But it's not "everything that is bad in the world." It's entirely local. It happens on their streets and in their communities. And after every tragic shooting of a kid the family comes out crying on the TV and asks for change and the Mayor is there at the podium saying how senseless the violence is (and get rid of guns!) and Pfleger is there inflaming a race war and around and around we go. Nothing major changes. There's not a collective "this is f***ed up and it needs to stop!" sentiment. But throw in a (white) cop shooting and it's big, big news. It's "we're tired of this, things need to change!" It's "let's protest and show people we want change!" The same type of message but delivered in a much different way.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 01:51 PM) You know, maybe part of what a lot of communities are getting fed up with are this assumption of criminality that needs to be met with militarized police forces? So the City should ignore recent examples like Baltimore and Ferguson and just hope nothing bad happens? They shouldn't be prepared for the worst?

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 01:20 PM) http://homicides.suntimes.com/2015/11/10/f...its-conscience/ You switch in and out of community its hard to tell about what you are ever directing things at. I'm curious to know if you've ever thought about why police violence would mobilize so easily across neighborhoods and ages? The same people who are going to protest and probably riot this week. The same people who traveled to Ferguson to riot. Why can't those people do the same types of things to the awful people that execute 9 year olds in alleys over a stupid group dispute? Or that kill little kids playing in parks? I was speaking a bit in hyperbole earlier when I said the community does NOTHING. Obviously families do. Obviously churches and community groups care. But its not on the same level. There's not the massive outcry. The City isn't mobilizing its police force over a holiday to be on duty with riot gear in their cars for fear of what may happen in response.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 01:03 PM) OK, less than a dozen, but I think it's going to be hard for one guy to justify shooting when none of the other five did. All reports thus far seem to indicate that the guy overreacted, so i'm not saying this in his defense. But just because other cops didn't shoot doesn't mean anything really.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 24, 2015 -> 12:53 PM) The 9 year old's killer is being quickly charged. Nobody is calling this "greatest crime in chicago history." The assumption of "some riot behavior" is pretty terrible. The assumption that there aren't community groups that work to reduce violence is silly (this is the same refrain every time there's a scenario like this--just because you don't look and don't know doesn't mean people aren't out there). The continued lack of understanding why people don't protest over a horrific murder but do when agents of the state kill a member of the community and rarely get charged for it remains pretty amazing. You don't think there will be some riot behavior? You're saying that prediction is terrible? Why? You know everyone in City Hall has that exact expectation right? edit: re the bolded, we don't know and don't hear about it BECAUSE THE RESPONSE ISN'T AS BIG. That's precisely the point here.