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QUOTE(Jabroni @ Mar 28, 2005 -> 08:45 PM) You are missing the point of my post. I never said he would give up 10 runs every outing. My point is that just because a pitcher gets a win doesn't mean he pitched well. Wins and losses are the absolute worst stat to judge a pitcher by. By the way, I'm happy about the Sox winning today but it was more because of the offense than Garland's crappy outing. Garland has sucked for most of Spring Training. Why would I be happy about that? Once again, I never claimed he pitched well today... and Garland got the win, thats good enough for me from his outing today

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Mar 28, 2005 -> 08:39 PM) I do. If a pitcher gives up 10 runs but the offense scores 11 so the pitcher gets the win, does that mean he pitched well? Of course not. That means that the offense performed well but the pitcher struggled mightily. Is it ever a good thing when a pitcher's ERA is high instead of low? Dude, its one game... is he gonna give up 10 runs every outing??? NO.. I still cant get past the fact you would rather b**** about giving up 5 runs instead of being happy that he got the win and the Sox win..

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Mar 28, 2005 -> 08:37 PM) If he gave up only 1 run that would be a great outing. Giving up 5 runs in 6 innings is not. but he got the win, so who cares EDIT: BTW, I never said he had a great outing.. all I said was Garland with the win baybeeeeee...

QUOTE(ptatc @ Mar 28, 2005 -> 08:32 PM) What happens when he gives up 1 run and the offense scores 0? Do you say he did his job? Garland will. His job is to be better than the other teams pitcher. That is why the win is assigned to the pitchers. Dude you have been on the money all night... my props go to you my man, you bring up excellent points

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Mar 28, 2005 -> 08:29 PM) So what happens when Garland gives up 5 or 6 runs but our offense doesn't score that many? You can't expect your offense to score 6 runs a game. Garland gave up 5 today, does that mean he will give up 5 next? or the game after? no. EDIT: On top of not expecting an offense to score 6 a game, that doesnt mean your counting on your pitcher to throw a shut out every time he takes the mound..

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Mar 28, 2005 -> 08:28 PM) I am refuting the fact that you keep saying he is pitching well. Just because he is 3-0 this spring does not make that so. His horrible spring ERA indicates that he is NOT pitching well. Where did I say he was pitching well.. you asked me his ERA and I said its in the 6's, this whole time I have been saying I dont care about what he gives up, Ill take the win Your the one who is thinking I claimed him to be the Ace of the roatation

QUOTE(ptatc @ Mar 28, 2005 -> 08:25 PM) I happen to agree with TRU on this one. I think with the boom of SABR that the one stat that is overlooked is wins. Take Kerry Wood for example. His stats always look good. Strikes out alot of guys, keeps the WHIP down, low ERA. But can he win? No!! He throws so many pitches early in the game that with pitch counts as important that SABR make them , he must leave games early and the bullpen blows them. If he focused on economizing pitches and staying in games longer he wouldn't blow so many leads. People always say that pitchers today down finish games like they used to,. This is because the pitchers of old threw strikes and finished 9 innings with 110-110 pitches. Ferguson Jenkins was once quoted as saying "I pitch well enopugh to win if that means giving up one run in a close game or taking it easy if we have a big lead and giving up 5 runs." Give me a guy who has the most important stat: WINS anyday. Thanks my man.. Exactly, if you can get me a win I dont care how many runs you gave up today... We go out there to win, its not all pitching.. you see, we have these things called hitters.. their job in this game called Baseball is to hit the ball, and score runs.. You score the most runs, your team will win the game.. These rules, while complicated Jabroni, is how the game is played.. do you follow

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Mar 28, 2005 -> 08:19 PM) Garland is a good 5th starter. That is all. If you think he is a good 5th starter, whats your point of getting so defensive when I cheer for him, or I say YESS Garland with the win?? What are you trying to prove, that I shouldnt like Garland because he gave up 5 runs today?? You just said yourself, hes a good 5th starter.. I dont recall claiming him a #1, all I said was Garland with the win.. your the one who came on here spouting stats and bulls*** that had nothing to do with anything.. I just said Garland with the win, why cant you be happy that we won?..

LMAO!!!! You did it again!!! You keep changing your posts as I am writing a response so you dont look like a fool..

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Mar 28, 2005 -> 08:22 PM) Wow, ever heard of a typo? In fact, I edited my post with the correct information even before you posted this. :rolly wrong... I was in the middle of typing it, HENCE, the fact it still says 19 in my quote box.. so again, you are wrong I dont like your boy Ozuna but you dont see me talking s*** about his lucky spring so far..

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Mar 28, 2005 -> 08:19 PM) Ahhh, you have given up the debate by changing the topic. Nice. The fact is that wins and losses are the worst stat to judge pitchers by. By your logic, Contreras had a great season last year because he was 19-9, even though he had a 5.50 ERA. WOW! Contreras was 19 - 9 last season!!! Damn I must have missed that one and I stand by my Garland comments, no matter what you think about him.. so im not changing any subject

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Mar 28, 2005 -> 08:14 PM) Are you happy with the way Conteras has pitched? I dont like Contreras, I like Garland... If I wanna cheer for Garland I shouldnt have to have Jabroni following EVERY post with... "Well according to my stats.. blah blah blah bulls*** bulls*** bulls***" Was Garlands ERA in the 5's last year... no it wasnt..

QUOTE(3E8 @ Mar 28, 2005 -> 08:07 PM) Extrapolate that ERA over a full season's games and you will have a losing record. Thats ASSUMING his ERA is a constant 6.63 for the entire year, which it wont be..

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Mar 28, 2005 -> 08:05 PM) Would you like to guess Garland's great ERA this spring? yeah its in the 6's I believe...

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Mar 28, 2005 -> 08:02 PM) Is this guy clueless or what? :headshake I think your clueless, your b****ing about a SP on our team thats 3 - 0 "Oh but its been cuz of run support" last time I checked that was what the offenses JOB was, to score runs so we can WIN.. which is what has been happening.. 3 - 0 is 3 - 0... ERA and hits given up dont come as an asterik next to our record

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Mar 28, 2005 -> 08:02 PM) coughrunsupportough run support is part of the game you guys can b**** all you want but hes 3 - 0.... so get off em.. If hes 3 - 0 in the season you gonna b**** about that too?? Your forgetting the main thing here... wins and losses, and as far as I can see... weve got 3 wins and ZERO losses from him...

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Mar 28, 2005 -> 08:01 PM) "Andruw Jones hits ninth and 10th homers" http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap;_ylc=X3o...0328105&prov=ap Wow, it's a shame that that Magg$ for Andruw Jones trade rumor of last season didn't happen. I sure wouldn't have minded an outfield of Pods in LF, Andruw Jones in CF, and Rowand in RF. I really wanted Andruw Jones too... he would have a monster year here, not only that, the glove baybee.. woulda been nice to see

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Mar 28, 2005 -> 07:55 PM) And another bad outing. Do you at least look at the box scores? Garland has been bad all spring. The only reason he has 3 wins is because of our bats. Here's what he did today... Jon Garland (W,3-0) 6 IP 9 H 5 R 5 ER 3 BB 2 SO 3 HR He issued 3 walks, gave up 3 homers, and allowed 5 runs in 6 innings. That is pretty bad. Your right, the MAIN thing there.... (3 - 0).. means nothing... My bad dude, my bad

Garland with the win baybeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

QUOTE(Soxnbears01 @ Mar 27, 2005 -> 10:50 PM) I can't wait for dee brown to look like me. Pale and white. YES What the hell? This doesnt mean they are going to make a black player white and a white player black are they??? That would be horrible and really ruin the game for me.. Even if they change their numbers that will piss me off... MAN, I am pissed off

QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Mar 28, 2005 -> 08:38 AM) Halo2 is all about the multiplayer. I don't know why getting Live is selling out, but there is some cool s*** out there. Splinter CEll has some of the coolest online stuff. You're missing out. No doubt. I just meant I havent given in to paying the $50 a year for it yet... especially since it pisses me off PS2 online was free, just needed to cable.. Thats what I meant, Im sure its fun online

QUOTE(flippedoutpunk @ Mar 27, 2005 -> 09:52 PM) i cant believe u just posted that.. My son just saw that... Carl Jr. will never be the same again Cover his eyes, tell him its gonna be alright and sing him to sleep I know my kid, he will calm down

My new avatar is THE best

you heartless bastard

QUOTE(The Critic @ Mar 27, 2005 -> 09:02 PM) Well, you ARE a ghost, after all..... your killing me man