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QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Jun 3, 2009 -> 04:02 PM) WHAT point? "But we win games!" "But there are other bad managers, too!" "But... no! You're just WRONG!" "But... he won us a WS 4 years ago!" Please tell me how any of that is relevant, much less a valid POINT. I mean, come on, it's just ignorant. As I said earlier, winning doesn't always mean you played it right. That's really just common sense. Isn't winning the overall goal, though? We've won 83, 99, 90, 72, and 89 games during the regular season with Ozzie as manager. We've outperformed expectations every year but 2007, when the predictions were dead on, and 2004 (IIRC, couldn't find data), when everyone was hurt. If you want to say that has nothing to do with the quality of a manager, that's fine. Maybe it doesn't, but then how in the world would you judge a manager? Anecdotal evidence from a select few games you remember? Overall, the White Sox have been successful, so Ozzie is going to be the manager. If we have a bad season or two, he'll be gone. That's how it works. Also, you do really need to stop with the personal attacks, if you want to keep posting here. It's REALLY hard to get banned from Soxtalk, from what I've seen, but it can happen. We're all on the same side, and while you do have some valid points, so do other posters. Remember: , not .

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 3, 2009 -> 03:06 PM) Wise isn't as bad as I thought he'd be out there but he sure does a fine job of making his fielding of routine fly balls look pretty.Wise is pretty rough out there and at some point he's going to misplay a ball in a bad situation and cost us at least a couple of runs. He's better than Podsednik, though. I do wonder why we don't give BA a chance to play everyday and finally see what we have with him, since he's currently better defensively than Wise, at least equal on offense, is younger, and has a higher ceiling. Eventually it'll shake out though. Like other people have said in this thread; it's really not worth worrying about. Either Ozzie is incredibly stubborn and short-sighted, in which case there's nothing anyone can do anyway, or he knows something about Anderson we don't. Also these BA threads are absolutely hilarious. Great entertainment for down time at work. Thanks guys!

If we're going to DFA Wise, why is he playing? We know when Quentin will be back, Pods is already in the lineup so at least we have "speed", and Anderson can at least play good defense in CF. Why even give a player who won't be on your roster in a week at-bats?

Career vs. Righties, Wise hits .215/.256/.386/.641, with 21 BB/82 K. Clearly, we need to make room in the lineup for him.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 1, 2009 -> 02:27 PM) My point is guys who don't belong in college shouldn't go to college just because they can put a ball in a basket. The fact that he had to cheat to even do that shows a bigger problem. If going to college increases his chances in the NBA draft, then the player should have to take his academics seriously enough to be eligible to play. Just like everyone else in school needs to maintain a certain level of academic abilily in order to land a job of their choice. Rose didn't do that. He had no business being in college. Like it or not, athletics is a huge part of college (and high school). Schools make tons of money with their athletic programs. Athletes get preferential treatment. That's not going to change. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 1, 2009 -> 02:27 PM) Its not his fault the NBA won't let him into their draft out of HS. It may not be his fault Simeon changed a grade. It may not be his fault his brother took money. It is his fault someone took the test with his name on it.Okay. What's the punishment?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 1, 2009 -> 01:29 PM) If its no big deal for Derrick Rose to do what he did, why would it be a big deal for a guy who isn't an NBA prospect, but equally unprepared and unqualified for college to do the exact same thing? Why should anyone competing athletically in college have any business being a college student and have to show some sort of aptitude to be able to actually make progress towards a degree?This isn't a very good example. Kids who have no interest in academics or athletics don't go to college. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 1, 2009 -> 01:29 PM) Who really knows how all these guys are going to pan out. The Flying Illini's most unheralded recruit was Kendall Gill. Have you ever heard him talk about the recruiting visit he took when Bardo got all the attention and he was basically ignored? He turned out to be their best player. Rose had stardom written all over him, but what if he broke his ankle the first day of practice?So what's your point? Colleges shouldn't recruit star players because said player might break his ankle? Or colleges shouldn't boot a walk-on player off their roster for a player like Rose because the walk-on might be better than the star recruit? That doesn't make any sense at all. QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jun 1, 2009 -> 01:47 PM) So? I mean, I agree with you, but the point is that they have options. I'm just tired of seeing people blaming the big bad NBA/NCAA for "denying their right to make a livelihood" (which has been mentioned by two different people). I never said that, at all actually. I was just pointing out an example of someone who took another route other than the NCAA. And anyways, since he was essentially the first to do it, there really is nothing to compare. Sure, they technically have options, but realistically they have to go to college. The only other even semi-realistic option is to play in a good European league for a while, but that denies them a lot of local and national media coverage, as well as opportunities to be seen by scouts.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 29, 2009 -> 10:13 PM) If Derrick Rose can't get a 900 on the SAT, he should be drooling on himself. Seriously.If you saw the curriculum at some of these schools, you wouldn't be surprised at all. QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jun 1, 2009 -> 07:31 AM) Upon graduation of HS, players hoping one day to play in the NBA can either 1) Sit on their ass 2) Join AND1 3) Play in Europe 4) Play in Asia 5) Play in Australia 6) Play in South America 7) Play in the NBDL (i think) 8) Play in the USBL, CBA, ABA or any other professional league in the US or Canada 9) Go to college 10) Go to junior college 11) Go to a trade school 12) Join the military None of those options are better than playing for a high-profile D1 college team, and please don't tell me you're trying to argue that a player's draft position isn't improved by attending a major college program because of one player who *might* be a top 10 pick this year due to a pretty weak draft class. I work with a guy who taught at Harper HS in Englewood for 5 years. He's not at all surprised about this, because he faced severe pressure every year from administrators to boost grades for seniors so they could graduate, so the school could meet requirements, and to get the kids out of what's generally a pretty unsafe environment. I really don't think some of you understand what an education from CPS is like. Most of the students don't care about school, their parents don't care, and a large number of teachers don't care (my co-worker often talks about a math teacher who barely covered the curriculum, instead mostly talking about how important it was to free Mumia Abu-Jamal). It's not hard to see why one of the few teachers who does care would alter Rose's grades, to get him out of the school and onto the path that lead to him making almost 5 million dollars this year. It's also not hard to see why a teacher who doesn't care would alter Rose's grades, to continue to pad Harper's reputation as a premiere basketball school in Chicago. I think the desire to see honesty and morality win out in cases like this is admirable, but misplaced. I also wonder what a proposed "solution" to this would be -- make Rose retake the course? He technically passed, so I don't see how that would accomplish anything. Declare his year at Memphis to be void? Again, doesn't really accomplish anything, unless Rose decides to finish his Bachelor's there. Declare Rose ineligible for next season? What "punishment" works here?

I want him here because of this. Yes, Shaq actually made that.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ May 26, 2009 -> 09:03 PM) No offense to you, but I'd take Baseball-Reference's word before yours. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/pierza.01.shtml That's odd. I got different results both times I ran 1998-2003. Now I get the same as you.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ May 26, 2009 -> 08:53 PM) Wow, this is TOO easy. AJ Pierzynski with the Twins: .301/.341/.447/.788 AJ Pierzynski with the Sox: .274/.315/.418/.733 Maybe you want to look at those numbers again, because AJ actually hit .295/.332/.438/.770 with the Twins. Also, what about his year with the Giants? Is their hitting coach to blame for his .272/.319/.410/.729 year there? If so, hitting coaches should be the highest paid coaches in the game.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 26, 2009 -> 08:38 PM) Evidenced by what? We have seemed to have our fair share of lift and pull hitters over the years.We have a team full of power hitters in a hitter's ballpark. What do you think they're going to do? Try to poke singles the other way?

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 26, 2009 -> 01:41 PM) Since I feel we got excellent value for Javier (he's pitching great in Atlanta, but the Sox got very talented prospects in return, how they produce at the ML level, jury is out there, but three guys with major league talent) and were never going to resign Crede it's pretty easy to put Viciedo in as part of the Swisher deal and right now, Viciedo would have a higher trade value than Swisher.I wouldn't say he pitching great... he's doing what he always does. 78 K/15 BB, 1.14 WHIP, yet he somehow manages to be 4-4 with a 3.80 ERA. He also got lit up by the Giants yesterday, in Atlanta.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ May 23, 2009 -> 10:34 AM) The first couple Lumley Necroscope books, for instance. The first two or three were good, then they just got really really weird.

This thread needs pics for comparison's sake.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ May 22, 2009 -> 11:10 AM) Also, we talking Batting Average here? Really? Have you seen Flowers' OPS? The guy's a below average fielder, but he's learning that damn position and giving you a balls out offensive performance, with AJ reaching his twilight years and swinging at nearly everything can we really afford to complain here? 30 BB, 34 K, .444 OBP, .464 SLG, .268 AVG, .908 OPS sounds pretty good to me, though I would like to see that batting average climb a bit. 30 BB/34 K is really encouraging.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 21, 2009 -> 05:02 PM) And bashing the Sox and slurping the Cubs. Guess what people, the Cubs are in a worse position than us to win over the next 5 years, their roster is old, overpaid and they have ZERO farm talent.Yeah, I don't see how one of Peavy's preferences will magically find prospects and/or money by July. Also Ken Rosenthal is pretty retarded for saying the White Sox deal was worse than the Cubs.

San Diego has got to be pissed. They need to get rid of him asap, and Peavy seems to be obsessed with being traded to teams that can't afford him or don't have the prospects necessary to get him. Either they get nothing for him, or he sticks around and sucks up close to half of the projected team payroll.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 21, 2009 -> 04:49 PM) If still waiting on Heyman, he's much more connected to this than Cowley. Cowley isnt even allowed in the Sox locker room.Agreed. I haven't seen this anywhere else. Perhaps people heard the Sox refused to pay the option and extrapolated that there was no way Peavy was coming here after that.

QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ May 21, 2009 -> 02:50 PM) The Pittsburgh Penguins...DUH DUH DUHPsh, I made that joke first, but someone deleted my post with the enormous Penguins logo attached.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 21, 2009 -> 02:49 PM) What are they supposed to do, stop trying?Yes.

QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ May 21, 2009 -> 02:48 PM) They just said on ESPNnews that the sox don't play the Pirates this year. I wonder who we are going to play tomorrow.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ May 21, 2009 -> 02:46 PM) 20-0That's absolutely disgusting. Hopefully the Sox are getting pissed off, because I know I would be, if a team kept pouring it on even after a game was obviously over.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ May 21, 2009 -> 02:41 PM) You know in Jake Peavy's funded Jurassic Park I’m sure they'd try to incorporate T-Rex's as servers. That would a poor idea not only are their arms preposterously small, but they'd kill everyone. ...OR WOULD THEY?!?!. (Scroll down a bit to "T. rex: Scavenger or Predator?")

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 21, 2009 -> 02:26 PM) Arent penguins mean as f***?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 21, 2009 -> 02:12 PM) Its more money per season than the White Sox have ever paid anyone. I don't have my mind made up on anything, I've already said this would be KW's best trade if he pulled it off. I said they were cheap (btw the only time I have ever said they were cheap and I've had season tickets 20 years) when KW cut payroll said he had $.50 and wondered how they would pay the electric bill, and now they have the money for Peavy. Guess who is right? Now I'm saying while taking his contract is a good, bold move, guaranteeing the option, which the White Sox will not do, is stupid, and I agree with them 100% on that. Maybe they will broaden the no trade the last couple of years of the deal, but picking up that money is not wise. They can pick it up after he's pitched here for 3 1/2 years.I said it before, and I'll say it again: don't always believe what the Sox say. If one of the other posters on here is right, Kenny's been working on this for something like 11 months. I think that if the option year is the real sticking point, you do it. It's a risk well worth taking.