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I expect Beckham to replace Getz as Head of Player Dev

Whatever they are, they round down to zero The player development system is a total disaster, and if they promote the head of it to GM, there’s no reason for that to change. The player acquisition strategy is so backwards it literally seems like it’s bad in purpose, and there would be a shred of hope if a totally new voice came in, because he/she could convince JR to change, but if they just promote someone who has already been cowed by JR, there’s no reason for that to change either. Doesn’t matter if there are a few positive parts on the team, there’s no way to finish it with the above conditions. Might as well be the A’s. EDIT: Sorry I failed the exercise.

Dan Evans at least USED to be really highly connected in the NPB world, so I’d wholly support him for two reasons: (1) he doesn’t already work for the white sox, and (2) maybe I’ll finally get to root for an NPB star as a white sox player. Makes years-long playoff droughts slightly nicer.

I just think Jerry, on some level, knows that a proper external hire that knows what he/she is doing is going to immediately suggest that Jerry abandon his spending strategy completely, because it is completely ass-backwards to the point that you almost couldn’t design a better way to get less value for your dollar in today’s mlb talent market — but obviously Jerry doesn’t see it that way, and probably already heard those arguments in a more simpering/diplomatic way from Hahn, and clearly made the decision that he isn’t willing to change. So in his universe, he may actually believe he still knows best and just needs to shuffle the deck to appease the fans, and is looking to put another yes man in place. And if so, why not choose from his current stable?

The Royals caught lightning in a bottle by having 7 prospects all hit at once, turning it into a single two-year window that interrupted a four decade run of total ineptitude. 28 teams saw this and realized it was a shitty way to try to build a winner. The White Sox have been trying to emulate it, in every way, ever since. Concentrating all of your assets and resources into a single group of players, at the expense of investing in an actual pipeline, and as an excuse for not investing in obtaining elite players from other available means, is the clearest and most transparently dumb way to try to win that has existed in MLB in my entire lifetime. Jerry Reinsdorf appears to be on the cusp of doubling down on it yet again.

Bob nightingale tho

This isn’t uncommon — you need someone to continue to operate during the transition, and these guys will be assumed to essentially get an audition to stick around when the next leader comes in.

Important first step. If the next GM is an internal promotion, nothing changes. If it’s a good external hire, who knows, we may have some hope.

I have no doubt in my mind this is just the beginning of a PR campaign to get a new stadium, but: Jerry Reinsdorf will go down in history as an all-time, inner-circle HOF piece of s%*#, and it's one of the few things that almost literally every sports fan on Earth can agree on.

lol

Replacing any single piece from the org is shuffling deck chairs on the titanic

Well. I mean you’re only hearing one side of a story here. And really not much of that side. Also, if they don’t live in Chicago, I’m not sure that not having access to the daycare while they’re in town playing would constitute “uprooting” a kid from their favorite teachers and friends. Idk, farbeit for me to give this FO the benefit of the doubt, but if this is a thing where a former player would normally get a favor/exception/warmer welcome when back in town — the dude decided to burn a bridge for what seems like no real gain, I feel like you gotta assume you aren’t gonna get favors granted after that. And he’s making like $800k this year, so it’s not like they can’t handle childcare. But the real question is: why did you specifically want mine/elrockin’s opinions here lol. Just seems random

*eyeballs emoji*

…yes?

Eh, doesn’t change anything at all for me. When you sign a deal like that, it’s about more than money, it’s about settling somewhere with your family. That sell off, which everyone saw coming, was basically a bait and switch for the players involved, who went from being able to choose their destiny to having it chosen for them inside of 12 months. To not only do that to a guy but also send him to the only team that won’t let him settle his family how he wants it’s pretty low. I’d think sending some mfs his direction was warranted, tbh. Doesn’t mean Loria shouldn’t have made the trade, just means you reap what you sow. If you decide to f*** someone for the sake of the business, expect to be treated like you just fucked someone for the sake of the business, that’s all.

The thing is, Benintendi could have had an average year and this would still be a disaster. I mean, the White Sox richest free agent deal in franchise history was to a league average-ish left fielder. This whole thing, this whole “plan,” it was just never going to work out.

We’ve been Stockholm Syndrome’d into only considering a pool of six people already involved with the team as the only possibilities to run it. I don’t see Ozzie as a comparison point to Grifol, with pros and cons — I see Ozzie as another node in a long list of abject failures that have run this team over my lifetime. Resist the temptation to crave past abuses. It’s all a s%*# show and we need to move forward.

Sox: the goal is to position ourselves for sustained success Also Sox: now is not the time for player development

RIP what’s left of his career

Has there ever been a group of sports executives that have had the opportunity to make a pile of failures this high? Like is it actually possible to be MORE sure that you need to fire your management team?

I mean. he’s not wrong

I think they’ll sign at least one 4th starter for $10-15M, and then add one or two low cost flyers on veterans that used to be good. And then those prospects will compete with the vets in ST.

I don't think that, I think the FO is thinking about 2024 only, because there's no other option in JR's universe. It's unimaginable to do another full rebuild, in a much worse position than last time, and there's nothing they can really do to overhaul. They know they're living on borrowed time; they're going to keep rolling the dice until they're fired.

I voted A. I was able to arrive at this conclusion because I never thought for a moment that a true rebuild was on the table, and when you've been abused for so many years, you start to accept messed up things as ordinary. Given the constraint that 2024 was going to be a re-tool, I think Hahn did as well as I could have imagined in taking advantage of a strong sellers market to extract a substantial amount of value from his pending free agents. I was impressed by literally all of the returns, as well as the sheer number of trades he made. All the FAs out the door except Grandal, right? I expect the White Sox to ruin the careers of all the prospects they received, and for Hahn to spend all of the payroll space he has on 1.5 WAR free agents and enter 2024 with a worse roster than he had in 2023. Go Sox.