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21 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:
So what do people think the Opening Day bullpen looks like now? With Santos gone and Crochet theoretically in Charlotte, it’s going to be hard to keep guys like Berroa, Leasure, & Speas off the roster. I know there have been several NRI guys added, but curious how people see things shaking out assuming we don’t anytime important to the mix.
Important to remember too that any NRI added is going to require someone gets cut. Always an uphill battle for those guys, and even if some guys on the 40-man are meh to us, teams don’t exactly like to throw guys out if they can stash the NRI in AAA for a bit. Barlow seems likely IMO, especially with the closer role wide open.
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1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:
I haven't seen anything in either trade thread about it but it's looking less and less likely with every trade that Whit Merrifield will not be coming to the Sox.
They technically could still bring him in for 2B, with Lopez being the backup IF and Sosa going to Charlotte. Although, I don't think they really have the payroll wiggle room to bring him in.
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2 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:
Nightengale reported that Baltimore was basically offering this same package and another player for Cease. I doubt it's any of the big 5 or the Sox probably make the deal.
Can’t help but wonder what the offers may have been from the Reds or Dodgers (if it even got to that point).
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13 minutes ago, JoeC said:
Honest question here - what is Mena’s upside? Is he actually decent?
Mena could be a middle of the rotation option and was expected to make his debut at some point this upcoming season. He's only 20 too. He did have some control issues in Charlotte, but he is quite young for the league. His calling card was his breaking ball, so maybe the Sox don't think he can be an option for the rotation with a mediocre fastball? Just seems odd to trade one of your top 10 prospects for a 5'9" glove-first RF option.
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5 minutes ago, DirtySox said:
This is the only explanation. It has to be. I don't quite understand trading someone so young unless they clearly see something that is not fixable or won't play in the upper levels.
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This is honestly a good deal for both sides. Sox could use a little extra cash in the draft and Berroa and DeLoach are not throw-ins. I really like Santos, but its hard to argue keeping a good reliever (who showed warning signs of injury) on a 100 loss team.
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56 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:
If Pillar gets $3 million, Duvall is likely out of the Sox price range (probably closer to $8 million).
Duvall also probably doesn't want to come here. He's still relatively good, and undoubtedly has a much bigger market and competition. Pillar is hanging onto the last chance to stay in the majors, and likely jumped at the chance to be a starter somewhere.
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6 hours ago, ChiSox59 said:
You might be able to dump Moncada if he has a 2019 like first half, but he absolutely is not “flippable”. Dude is making $29M in calendar year 2024. Eloy could maybe return something interesting like Gio did if he stays healthy and rakes. Big time if. He’s also due around $17M in 2024.
I actually think Moncada is more flippable than Eloy. Moncada has very good glove at 3B, and could easily be an attractive option for a team in the pennant race that doesn't want to break the bank on a big time deadline acquisition - especially if the Sox kick in enough cash to cover his buyout (which is 100% going to happen regardless of where he finishes the season). Eloy can't run, can't field, and can't stay healthy enough to make his bat worth it. I'd be stunned if he isn't bought out of his deal as well when the season ends.
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2 hours ago, Tnetennba said:
Or at least signed more flippable guys. I don't think spending $200M would even get them very far, but at least get something out if beside a crap pick for sucking ass.
I think they look at the flippable guys as already being on the team: Moncada and Eloy
If either of them have a remotely productive year they are gone. I think Getz wants to totally gut this team and reshape it into something else.
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2 hours ago, WestEddy said:
At this point, I just want the White Sox to do anything. I keep refreshing Twitter just to see what happens to Canaan Smith-Njigba.
Absolutely. I'd be down to see what that kid can do.
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https://x.com/byrobertmurray/status/1753491203428159539?s=46&t=YB66BSH8MdsOmPwZtTqy1w
This doesn’t make much sense to me unless it’s a MiLB deal.
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17 minutes ago, hogan873 said:
Getz knows that he has the upper hand in any negotiation for Cease. There are still teams that need pitching and could/should be willing to part with what Getz wants in return. There's less pressure on the Sox to deal Cease than there is on other teams to add a pitcher that could be crucial to their season and post-season hopes. If Cease is with the Sox on opening day and has even a decent first half, he will still command a haul in return if traded.
Getz had the upper hand. Not anymore. You’re asking Cease to pitch like he did in 2022. Realistically, if that is his ceiling and 2023 is his floor, he will likely end up somewhere in the middle. Now you have added risk of injury and his team control decreasing by the day. I don’t see a scenario where his value is going to magically increase to the level that Getz is asking.
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3 hours ago, Rolle Tide said:
There was some suggestion of the same thing on the Orioles board. I wonder how you guys would be feeling if that was the return for Cease. I think Burnes has the better overall numbers but one less year of control. There is hope on the Brewers board that Hall can go back to the rotation. I know he’s preparing for a shot a the rotation. I think his success will be as a high leverage reliever
Cease would have brought back more than what Burnes did simple for the extra year of control. I personally think Hall is a high leverage RP, I don’t see him starting long term. I think the best get in the whole deal is the draft pick. For one year of Burnes, I don’t think it’s that terrible of a return.
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11 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:
Well, it doesn’t appear that a young OF prospect is coming anytime soon. When does Getz announce the Whit signing for 2B and RF?
6 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:Gotta be soon.
I don't think it happens. I'm convinced moving Cease was required to clear $8M for any additional FA.
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Good luck digging out of that hole Getz. You overplayed your hand.
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29 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:
I mean I’d much rather he ask for too much than accept too little. Plenty of time left here.
Not really, we're roughly 2 weeks away from ST starting up. I really don't like how we may end up banking on Cease building up his value when the chances of his value remaining the same or decreasing are more likely to occur.
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10 minutes ago, flavum said:
I think Getz is playing this ok. Still think Cease is gone before games start (2/23), but he may actually have to show up to Glendale for a short time.
I'm a getting a little concerned he didn't play it correctly when its all said and done. I am very nervous about keeping Cease into the season.
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5 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:
A baseball is nothing compared to the bullets we have to dodge in the stands.
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1 hour ago, Springfield Soxfan said:
Are the Sox the Soler “mystery team?”
I’d be surprised. He can’t field anymore, and the Sox have DH locked up. Plus I don’t think the Sox have that much money to sign him or even beat other teams interested in him.
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44 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:
Unless it's down to Adell OR Sheets...remember the premium Getz has set on defense, and trying to make Cease look as good as possible if they end up holding him into the regular season.
You might need to double check his Fangraph's page. Adell is atrocious in the OF. He's the RH version of Sheets.
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I want nothing to do with Adell. We have enough bad players on this team as it is.
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https://x.com/tydanegonzalez/status/1752030158557462572?s=46&t=YB66BSH8MdsOmPwZtTqy1w
Seems like something might be brewing. No idea if it’s Cease.
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7 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:
Duvall is plus defensive OF averaging 1.83 fWAR the past three seasons and coming off a 116 wRC+. He'd be our best RF since 2016 Adam Eaton. Sexy name? No. But would be very useful, and theoretically a perfect platoon partner for Colas (and Beni), if Colas ever works his way out of Pedro's doghouse.
Only thing I’d worry about is Duval’s wrist. He’s broken it twice over the last few seasons. At his age, he may not be very durable or be able to get through the whole season.
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34 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:
There has been some marginal improvement, but likely not enough to get more than 70 wins. If Getz is ambitious and has another $10M - $15M at his disposal, he could add a legitimate RF, another SP lotto ticket, a couple relievers and possibly a legitimate starting 2B. I’m hoping for a RF at this point and keeping Cease beyond receiving a crazy good offer.
Wish I could have found a sportsbook I could bet Sox over 62 1/2 wins in Vegas. The best I found for Illinois is 64 1/2, which isn’t a safe enough margin IMO, especially with Cease uncertainty and likely trade deadline deals.
I think any additional addition via FA will come with Cease being traded with his salary going towards whoever is added.
This year seems twofold to me:
1) Getz is clearly trying to reshape this team to be something different. Will his vision be successful? Not this year, but once you jettison Eloy and Moncada’s deals, you are looking at a super low payroll for 2025 that should give him flexibility to add actual impact FA.
2) Obviously payroll is slashed from the last few years, so they probably have it at a point that they can recoup their financial losses with the massive drop in attendance. We all know how Jerry operates, so it is what it is.
Im not expecting much for this upcoming season. With the way the draft pick falls outside of the top 10, it’s kind of pointless to root for losses. I just want to see better fundamental play and see some success from anyone who will be around 2025 and beyond.
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Sox looking at building in South Loop
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Was just about to post this, I think this looks very nice.