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QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Oct 30, 2012 -> 05:50 PM) Scot Gregor ‏@scotgregor With Youkilis' option declined, White Sox could give Carlos Sanchez a look at 3B. He's batting .244 with 0 HR/10 RBI in Arizona Fall League No thanks!

if Jake would have hit the free agent market we wouldnt have gotten him back. Someone would have really overpaid for him after Zack decides where he wants to go.

I think Youk is next in line

QUOTE (Jake @ Oct 30, 2012 -> 05:09 PM) Sale-Peavy-Danks-Floyd-Q Dirty. Just dirty. Santiago-Axelrod not bad as depth, either. Yeah thats just nasty Glad your staying Peavy!

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 30, 2012 -> 02:09 PM) It is definitely a question mark, as all young players like him are. No such thing as a sure-fire prospect. But... he hasn't even had a chance to BE consistent in the majors yet, because he hasn't played regularly. His minor league track record shows a guy who hit .261/.390/.500 in AAA in 2011, his last year in the minors, for an .890 OPS. And even this season, with very limited playing time, he put up a .708 OPS that is only a smidge below what AJ typically gives you. I just think, assuming the team has some money restrictions, the $7M or so difference isn't worth the zero to 100 OPS points (probably on the lower end of that range, and with poorer defense) that AJ gives you, and could be better-used at 3B or on starting pitching. If the team has money restrictions then I have no problem with this proposal. My priorities would completely change then.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 30, 2012 -> 01:58 PM) Serious question... how big a hole is that in your lineup, really? In AJ's Sox years, his OPS was in a range from .688 to .769, until his breakout 2012 season. Given his age and just plain regression to the mean, it seems likely (not set in stone) that he will be back in that range again. And he doesn't bring any speed to the offense, nor any ability for small ball to speak of. He is a smart baserunner, but that only adds so much value. If Flowers hits, say, .240... and draws walks at his AAA pace (about .100 Iso)... and hits 20 home runs to help his SLG, which seems like a reasonable number for him... he's going to have an OPS in the high .700's. Even if he falls a bit below that, that's low to mid .700's, and pretty much in line with what AJ gives you in almost any season. But Flower is younger, has shown he is a better defender and better baserunning controller. And oh by the way would cost about half a million for the next few years, as opposed to $6-$8M a year for AJ. I love AJ, he's been great here, but I honestly have changed my mind on this - I think the team is better served with Flowers in there. Get a LH hitting backup C on the FA market who doesn't completely suck, if you can. If not, Phegley. I think you end up with an overall comparable offensive player with better defense, for a lot less money. Thats the problem right there. For me thats a big what if. From what Ive seen from him he has a long way to go offensively. If you have Flowers starting I want him platooned because I think its more likely he gets exposed than him breaking out. The rest is on point though. The problem is he isnt someone we can say for sure we can put up those numbers. If he was more consistent this wouldnt even be a question.

I will be really upset if we dont make an attempt to resign him. Tyler Flowers starting everyday scares me. By making that switch you just made a hole in your lineup. Thats not the way to go forward.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 05:44 PM) BTW another awesome Kurt Russell avatar. Big Trouble in Little China is a favorite. Thanks man(Thats my second favorite movie behind Blade Runner)....I have a few more Ill use over the months.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 04:47 PM) And that's exactly why they have 1 playoff appearance (and win) since 2006. Whats your plan Mr GM? I cant wait to hear this

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 04:20 PM) The window of opportunity for this team to win anything has slammed shut. Thankfully Kenny wont be listening to you when he is trying to add. Thats the complete opposite of the way they think.

QUOTE (JoshPR @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 02:41 PM) See what I mean...... What you described in your last post was the definition of making a change just for the sake of making a change. Which is why the front office wont do it.

QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 02:40 PM) How the hell are the Angels not a playoff team with that roster? Bullpen must suck. It does

QUOTE (JoshPR @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 02:36 PM) Flowers doesn't hardly play, hard to be consistent. Hey I love what AJ did these past 8 years, very durable guy. But I think it's time to refresh, AJ's defense has been mediocre at best and the pitch calling hasn't been all that either, granted that it could be comming from the bench You know the problem is in the minors and up in the majors this has been the same story with Flowers. This isnt new. There is no point for a refresh. AJ looks fine. Your not going to keep him for 7 years.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 02:34 PM) Cause people think the great Tyler Flowers and Josh Phegley can be a good tandem I dont want to test that at all.

QUOTE (Brian @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 02:32 PM) He has the best offensive year of his career and we have nobody that could start at catcher everyday next season. Yup, time to let him go. Its almost like people want to make a change for the sake of making a change.

QUOTE (JoshPR @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 02:30 PM) Ahhhh no. Been great for the 8 years here, time to move on... There really is no reason to move on. This is one of his best years and Tyler Flowers is wildly inconsistent.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 02:28 PM) The Sox dugout is alive! See AJ trying to take second if he could? I don't think he's tanking it. He's always thinking and trying. Do you want AJ back? I for sure want him back no questions.

QUOTE (JoshPR @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 02:26 PM) Yeah right.... There is really no evidence for this and would go completely go against what AJ stands for.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 02:26 PM) Greinke hates it at the Cell Money can fix alot of problems

QUOTE (JoshPR @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 02:24 PM) I swear AJ is tanking it... Yeah no

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 02:22 PM) Zach would definitely excite the masses. They could sell some tickets with that acquistion, billing the 1-2 punch of Sale and Zach. p.s. Our fans are awesome. They are LOUD. Its not out of the question that we could go after him. Kenny always gets his guy.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 02:19 PM) Mark Buehrle gave up more home runs this year than anyone on the Sox while pitching in the NL in a mammoth park. There is a better chance we sign Zack Greinke than trading for Mark.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 02:13 PM) Our pitchers throw some nasty pitches, but they also give up some majestic bombs. They've all turned into Liriano, four-five innings is maximum output. How come you guys all get mad when I suggest the solution?? It's Mark Buehrle. The man is a pitching machine and genius who coulda helped our staff get over this mental midgetness!!! Our starters have good stuff; they are unable to sustain it at all. Their lines add up to five innings of rottenness. Yet I'm the only one that appears to think Buehrle is the answer. We're not getting Mark. Get that out of your head.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 02:04 PM) Did KC lose yesterday too? It's pretty hard to lose 4 in a row to the Tribe. Wow. I like Robin a lot, but losing as many times as we did to KC I think is a fireable offense (when the owner is Loria/Steinbrenner/Al Davis). Losing to KC was a sign of the true mental makeup of this team, but Baron won't agree with me and think I'm harsh. Why? "Wait til next year" is kind of a depressing rally cry for me, until the second bout of freezing rain/blizzard conditions when I truly truly miss spring training. Right now it's just anger. Your depressed all the time.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Sep 30, 2012 -> 01:45 PM) You keep talking about a rebuild and I firmly disagree that this team needs to be rebuilt. Had they had a healthy PK for the last 2 months of the season this is probably a 90+ win team...90+ win teams dont rebuild. As far as Ozzie coming back, I just don't see it. If Venturas heart is not in coaching, which i see no signs of it not, I'd much rather go a different direction....I liked the mention of Chris Singleton 100 percent agree. There really is no reason for a rebuild.