Everything posted by Lip Man 1
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And That's a White Sox Winner !
They should be. They are starting their rebuild. The Sox meanwhile are supposedly in the middle of a contention window. Again, I'll take the win but after the first inning they were basically shut down for four innings by a pitcher who was 0-7 with an ERA of over seven.
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This Day In Sox History...May 20
May 20, 1920 – At Griffith Stadium in Washington on this afternoon the White Sox would set the team record for the most runs ever scored in an extra inning. In the 16th inning they were able to score eight times to beat the Senators 13-5. The Senators made nine errors on the day leading to nine unearned runs. Sox Hall of Fame pitcher Urban “Red” Faber worked all 16 innings allowing 18 hits, three earned runs and faced 64 batters! May 20, 1973 - A Sunday afternoon bat day double header with the Twins brought the largest crowd out to ever see a game in the original Comiskey Park. 55,555 packed into the stadium filling every single inch of it, including standing on the catwalks that connected the left and right field bleachers with the center field scoreboard area. To his dying day, two-time White Sox owner Bill Veeck refused to believe that figure was accurate, he thought it was too low. The Sox split the pair of games that afternoon. May 20, 2006 – The Cubs/Sox rivalry never got hotter than on this day at U.S. Cellular Field when Cubs catcher Michael Barrett sucker punched the Sox A.J. Pierzynski which started a brawl around home plate. The game was the national telecast on the Fox Network. In the second inning Brian Anderson hit a fly to left field. A.J. tagged up, ran over Barrett who was blocking the plate, then went back and slapped his hand on home plate. Barrett took exception and punched Pierzynski on the side of his jaw. The punch didn’t faze A.J. but both benches cleared. As a result, Barrett, A.J., Anderson and John Mabry were ejected. The Sox, behind Freddy Garcia, won the game 7-0. Tadahito Iguchi belted two home runs, one a grand slam and drove in six RBI’s on the day.
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Garfein: Tim Anderson hates pitch clock, not Chicago
https://awfulannouncing.com/mlb/cleveland-guardians-tom-hamilton-blasts-tim-anderson-white-sox.html
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Garfein: Tim Anderson hates pitch clock, not Chicago
Speaking of TA he's quoted in this story tonight in the Sun-Times. According to the writer he was a mite "testy" when he was asked about the error yesterday (he wasn't available to talk to the media after that game. Guess he was pulling a Hahn who STILL hasn't spoken to the media on this homestand. LOL) https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2023/5/19/23730732/liam-hendriks-cant-come-back-soon-enough-for-sox
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That's a One Hit White Sox Winner!
Tremendous job by Kopech. As far as the offense against a pitcher with an ERA of over five? Total garbage.
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This Day In Sox History...May 19
May 19, 1908 – White Sox pitcher Guy “Doc” White tossed his fifth one-hitter and beat Washington 2-0. The only hit he allowed came off the bat of outfielder Bob Ganley. White helped his own cause with an RBI single scoring catcher Billy Sullivan. White faced only 28 hitters on the day, one over the minimum. May 19, 1914 – White Sox pitcher Ed Cicotte fired his first one-hitter beating the Athletics 3-0 at Shibe Park. Cicotte took a no-hitter into the eighth inning before the A’s John “Stuffy” McInnis singled to left field with one out. He was the A’s only base runner on the afternoon. May 19, 1959 – White Sox broadcaster Bob Elson called Memorial Stadium in Baltimore the ‘chamber of horrors’ because of the strange, weird and bizarre events that always seemed to take place when the White Sox were in town. On this night another one of those incidents took place as the O’s beat the Sox and Billy Pierce 2-1. In the second inning of a scoreless game and with Billy Gardner on first, Baltimore pitcher Billy O’Dell sliced a drive down the right field line. The ball hit the foul line-the only one in the Major Leagues made out of wood and bounced over the head of charging right fielder Al Smith. The ball rolled along the cinder warning track towards the right field corner. By the time it was retrieved Gardner scored easily and O’Dell had himself possibly the most unusual inside the park home run ever. May 19, 1963 - Sox starter Ray Herbert’s consecutive scoreless inning streak ended controversially in (where else?) Baltimore. Herbert, a 20-game winner in 1962, had thrown 38 straight scoreless innings when he faced the Orioles Johnny Orsino in the third inning. Orsino then hit what appeared to be a home run to left field...or did he? Both manager Al Lopez and outfielder Dave Nicholson argued that the ball Orsino hit passed between the top of the wall and an iron railing mounted on top of it with support posts to help keep fans from falling over on to the field of play. By going through the gap, it should have been ruled a ground rule double. They lost the argument; Herbert lost his scoreless streak but the Sox won the game 4-3 in 10 innings to get a double header split. May 19, 1996 - In a 14-3 clubbing of the Tigers in Detroit, Sox players Darren Lewis and Robin Ventura hit grand slams. The home runs came in the third and ninth innings. Both had four RBI’s in the game. May 19, 2004 - The 2004 season which had started off well for the White Sox, took a dramatic turn as on a short pop up to right field in Cleveland, infielder Willie Harris slammed his shoulder into outfielder Magglio Ordonez’s knee. Ordonez would go on the injured list, come back and play a few games, then miss the rest of the season. Eventually he’d go to Europe for an operation and leave the Sox as a free agent signing with Detroit. The Sox won the game 15-3 but losing Ordonez was huge.
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Latest Sox Podcast...
I feel your pain. Just hope to live long enough to see different ownership and take my chances.
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5/18: White Sox vs Guardians - 1:10 PM Start
It's called fundamentals...an unknown word to this organization, and like with the front office there is no accountability for being "baseball-stupid."
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Opening up my mind to giving the season a clean slate
From my story: Looking at the Giants; while they didn’t re-sign Alvarez or Hernandez and Darwin retired they did get additional draft picks when the first two signed with Tampa Bay. More importantly though the organization showed their players, and their fans they were serious about contending and winning regardless of risk. It made San Francisco look like an up and coming organization… that according to Jeff Kent. San Francisco did make the playoffs in 1997 losing to the eventual World Series champion Marlins, they just missed the post season in 1998 losing to the Cubs in a one game playoff, made the playoffs again in 1999 losing to the Mets then made it to the World Series in 2002 losing in seven games to the Angels. Then of course they went on their historic run in the 2010’s winning the World Series three times. Also having to be factored in was the positive publicity the trade generated in 1997 and the subsequent success of the franchise finally got the city and the state to give the go ahead on a new stadium to replace Candlestick Park. Then owner Peter McGowan pledged his own money to help get the stadium built and it became one of the showcase stadiums in the big leagues. This after years of failed attempts by multiple Giants owners to get a new stadium built.
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Garfein: Tim Anderson hates pitch clock, not Chicago
I think mentally he has one foot out the door already.
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This Day In Sox History...May 18
After the All-Star break Hoyt, Dotson and Bannister went 42-5. That's right...42-5. Not only were those guys unbeatable, they didn't miss starts or have inning limitations. Those were the days.
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This Day In Sox History...May 17
You are correct.
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5/18: White Sox vs Guardians - 1:10 PM Start
The Sox have scored three runs or less in 25 of the 45 games played. 55% of all games. That's what happens when you have a few automatic outs in the lineup to go along with a bunch of undisciplined free swingers.
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Opening up my mind to giving the season a clean slate
I did a detailed story on the 25th anniversary of the White Flag Trade. The impact both locally and nationally was catastrophic to the Sox and it reflected in attendance for a few years afterwards including 2000. As far as the impact the players acquired made, here you go: There’s a Hole in the Toe of My White Sox. The “White Flag Trade” Revisited…25 Years…and Counting Mike Caruso: Had a brilliant 1998 finishing third in the Rookie of the Year voting. He hit .306 with 22 stolen bases and 55 RBI’s. He legged out numerous infield hits. Defensively he made 35 errors which led the league and raised some questions about his ability to do small things correctly on the field. 1999 was a mixed year. Caruso’s batting average dropped to .250 but he recorded 35 infield hits and was the hardest player to strike out in the league. His errors dropped to 24 and he hit a game winning two run home run to beat the Cubs on June 13 but his attitude was becoming an issue. Manager Jerry Manuel felt he was out of shape and even questioned his thinking ability in the field. By 2000 Caruso was out of the starting line up in favor of Jose Valentin. The Sox tried trading him to Seattle, a deal which was overturned because Caruso was injured at the time, before releasing him. Lorenzo Barcelo: Suffered extensive injuries to his pitching arm which caused him to miss most of both the 1998 and 1999 minor league seasons. He was called up to the Sox in July 2000, going 4-2 with a 3.69 ERA in 22 games. In 2001 Barcelo tore his rotator cuff and again missed most of the season. He started 2002 with the Sox but was soon sent back to triple A where he suffered yet another arm injury which finished his career. Bob Howry: In 1998 Howry led all A.L. rookies with nine saves along with a 3.15 ERA in 44 games. In 1999 he appeared in 69 games saving 28, winning five and posting a 3.59 ERA. 2000 saw his role change to a set up man and he was effective again with seven saves, two wins and a 3.17 ERA. 2001 though saw a drop in velocity and his ERA shot up to 4.69. In 2002 he was hammered in spring training and was traded to Boston at the deadline. He pitched for another nine years with four other teams. As the years went by Howry was often a vocal critic of the Sox organization and their fan base. Keith Foulke: Foulke turned out to be the savior of the deal after the collapse of Caruso and the injuries to Barcelo. He had 34 saves in 2000 and 42 in 2001. He possessed a change up that was almost unhittable when he was going well. In 2002 however, manager Jerry Manuel seemed to lose faith in him after a series of blown save chances and because he would become a free agent after the 2003 season G.M. Kenny Williams traded him to Oakland in the ill fated Billy Koch deal. Foulke immediately regained his old form leading the A.L. with 43 saves and a 2.03 ERA. Signed by the Red Sox as a free agent he led them to a World Series title in 2004. Ken Vining got into eight games for the Sox in 2001 pitching a little over six innings with an ERA of almost 18 while Brian Manning never appeared in the Major Leagues. Overall the players the Sox got back had some impact particularly in the 2000 season when they won the Central Division but none of them reached the ceiling that Reinsdorf talked about, at least not when they were in the organization. For various reasons, injuries, bad luck, bad attitudes, none of the players acquired in the deal ever even made the All-Star team while in a Sox uniform.
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This Day In Sox History...May 18
May 18, 1957 – Historically if it was Baltimore, it usually meant strange things for the White Sox. Case in point, on this night the Sox had to catch a train to Boston and the Orioles agreed to end the game at 10:20 their time regardless of the outcome. The Sox trailed 3-0 going into the seventh inning when they scored four runs. That half inning was strange in itself because the Sox used five pinch hitters and two pinch runners in it! The Sox were still leading 4-3 in the ninth inning. Paul LaPalme was brought in to protect the lead. With 30 seconds remaining until curfew, he elected to pitch to Dick Williams. League rules did not allow for a suspended game under these circumstances so the Sox could have legally stalled the final seconds away. Unfortunately, they didn’t. LaPalme threw...Williams swung...home run. Tie game... make that a suspended tie game which had to be replayed from the start later in the season. May 18, 1983 - Still another bizarre moment in Baltimore. On this night Sox pitcher Rich Dotson tossed a complete game one-hitter. Only he lost it 1-0! His only mistake came when “Disco” Danny Ford lofted a pitch down the right field line at Memorial Stadium that fell into the first row of seats. The ‘blast’ went about 312 feet, an out in most other parks. The hit came in the eighth inning. Dotson wasn’t sharp overall, allowing seven walks but he kept getting out of trouble until Ford connected.
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Opening up my mind to giving the season a clean slate
From the MLB.com web site: American League Central: White Sox-Tigers Current: Tigers up 4 1/2 games Projected Standings: White Sox up 1 First off, yes, we know: These are hardly the top two teams in this division. But we’re focusing on them for two reasons. First, the projections are incredibly high on the Twins, giving them an eight-game cushion on the Guardians and a double-digit-game cushion on both of these teams. The real reason, though, is how different the expectations were for both the Tigers and the White Sox coming into this season. The White Sox were thought, with a new manager, to be legitimate AL Central contenders; the Tigers were just considered fortunate to have 2022 finally be over. But the Tigers have been plucky in the early going, spending most of the season in second place. The White Sox? The White Sox have not been plucky, let’s say that. If the Tigers are in a position to finish higher than the White Sox -- a team that is farther along its hypothetical “contention window” than their Michigan counterparts -- that would say something very clear and fascinating about where this division is standing moving forward. But the tell here is that even with the White Sox’s supposed “surge” to catch up with the Tigers, they’re still projected for 74 wins. If the White Sox are running at that pace come the Trade Deadline, it’s fair to presume that they will look a lot different after Aug. 1 than they would before -- a lot worse. The Tigers probably aren’t a .463 team. But they sure look like the third-place team in this division. That is progress, anyway. Believe the projections? No They also have another story with 10 players generating real trade interest. The White Sox have four of the 10, Anderson, Cease, Grandal and Giolito.
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Davis Martin undergoes TJS
Criminal they way they handled this much like Dunning, Rodon in the past. Basically they have NO depth now at starting pitching. Only Rick Hahn. Honest question, can he really be that dense and stupid as a GM?
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Latest Sox Podcast...
I just saw the comments, well there you go. He had that forearm soreness in October and that set off warning signs. Since there was no surgery I'm guessing the Sox felt it would be OK.
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Latest Sox Podcast...
I haven't seen that, did they announce that recently?
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This Day In Sox History...May 17
May 17, 1969 – It was one of the few highlights in a dismal season. Sox pitcher Jerry Nyman one-hit the Senators, winning in Chicago 6-0. Nyman allowed only a one out single in the second inning to Brant Alyea…a comebacker right through the box that Nyman could not get a glove on. Nyman also helped himself with the bat in that game hitting a bases loaded double knocking in three runs. May 17, 2021 – Sox catcher Yasmani Grandal was the lone starter not to get a hit in a 16-4 beating of the Twins up in Minnesota. But he still landed on base four times via walks, scored three times and drove in a run with a sacrifice fly. Grandal, became the first player in White Sox history to have three games where he walked four or more times in a season. May 17, 2021 – In the Sox blowout win over the Twins in Minnesota, national controversy erupted centering around the ‘unwritten’ rules of baseball. With the Sox leading 15-4 the Twins used a position player, Willians Astudillo to pitch the ninth inning. He lobbed up a 47 miles per hour pitch to Yermin Mercedes who blasted it over the center field fence. Twins manager Rocco Baldelli took exception to it as well as many baseball traditionalists. White Sox manager Tony LaRussa wasn’t happy with it either saying what Mercedes did disrespected the game as well as he missed the take sign on that pitch. Some of Mercedes teammates and many Sox fans disagreed saying that using a position player instead of a regular pitcher also disrespected the game and that until the game is over players are expected to do their best regardless of the score. The next day, after the Twins threw at Mercedes, LaRussa ignited another controversy when he said that he didn’t think Twins pitcher Tyler Duffey deliberately did that, that it may have been a pitch that got away from him. Some Sox fans feel this was the moment when LaRussa began to lose the clubhouse and the Sox started sliding back towards mediocrity for the rest of the season and into the 2022 campaign.
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Latest Sox Podcast...
Garfein and McGuffy released their latest podcast tonight. Just watched it on You Tube. The theme was “what will the next Sox rebuild look like?” They went over a lot of ground in 45 minutes but both guys thought at least SOME sort of rebuild is coming. They differed on how big of a rebuild though. McGuffy (who towards the end of the podcast really let everyone know how frustrated and tired he was of the Sox failure in the rebuild) felt it has to be torn down to the studs again BUT it had to start with the selling of the team. He said the organization “half assed” (direct quote) the rebuild because they wouldn’t go out and get the superstar, the game changer, the guy who could make other talented players want to come to the Sox. He blamed JR for handcuffing his front office. Garfein wouldn’t go that far but he did say something interesting in that he commented that “We don’t know who’ll be doing the next rebuild. Will it be Rick, Kenny and Chris Getz or someone else?” (Does he know something?) He figured 80 million will be paired from the payroll after trades this July and then when the season ended so he thought especially in this division a smart retooling could put things on the right course again. He also said at his age, JR is not interested in another complete rebuild. He said the money will be there if the organization wants to spend it from the purging of this year's team/payroll. He also talked about how he wants a team that will reflect the fan base. A team that plays the game hard, runs everything out, plays defense and can do the little things. (Sounds like he just got through watching The Last Comiskey documentary!) Both guys talked about getting real leaders into the clubhouse moving forward, guys who have enough respect that they can tell the other players what they are doing wrong and hold them accountable. McGuffy said those guys don’t necessarily have nine figure contracts either. (A lot of what they were talking about was told to me by sources in my State of the Sox story that was published in November. That the clubhouse is fractured, guys doing their own thing, not a lot of chemistry, guys got their money so they just don’t care et al) They also talked about how bad the farm system is with three of the top prospects Montgomery, Schultz and Ramos haven't played at all this year. Both thought TA would be shopped either at the deadline or next off season. Garfein hoped the Dodgers and Braves would get into a bidding war for him. Garfein hoped that the Sox could get something for Eloy and said he was “perfectly fine” with Burger being the DH moving forward. He also said pretty strongly that Moncada will only be on the club through the 24 season. Both thought Giolito is gone come July…maybe Lynn, Kelly and Clevinger. Cease’s name was brought up as well since he could offer a decent return. Robert could also be traded according to McGuffy because he’s the only guy that would really bring back a big haul. Garfein wants to keep him and rebuild (retool) around him. Both opened the podcast by talking about how unbelievable it was that they had to be talking about this in the first place after so much was promised. Pretty frank assessment in my opinion. I recommend listening to it. (or watching it on You Tube)
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At least Hahn stayed busy dodging media Monday
Gonzo has taken a full time position in the media department at Grand Canyon University in Phoenix. He starts on May 22. He'll be missed, excellent baseball writer for a long time.
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At least Hahn stayed busy dodging media Monday
That's all Merkin writes
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Kopech turns to rubble. (Fangraphs article)
Once Giolito leaves he very well may be fired.
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This Day In Sox History...May 16
May 16, 1953 - White Sox pitcher Tommy Byrne, who was knocked out of the game in an eventual win against the Yankees two days earlier, was sent up to pinch hit for Vern Stephens in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and the Sox trailing 3-1. Byrne then slammed a 2-2 pitch from relief pitcher/sidewinder Ewell “The Whip” Blackwell into the lower deck in right field at Yankee Stadium for the only pinch-hit grand slam by a pitcher in team history! The Sox would win the game 5-3, scoring all their runs in the ninth inning. That was the only home run Byrne hit that year for the White Sox although he’d had 14 of them in his big-league career. May 16, 1978 - With the Sox record a dismal 9-20 and knowing that there was no way he was going to be able to re-sign him, Sox owner Bill Veeck traded slugger Bobby Bonds to the Rangers for Claudell Washington and Rosendo “Rusty” Torres. Bonds would only play in 26 games for the Sox, with two home runs and eight RBI’s. Making matters worse was that to get Bonds the previous December, Veeck traded three players including future All-Star Brian Downing to get him. Washington would become the target of fan displeasure because of his tendency to take it easy on the field while with the team. One fan made up a banner, hung over the right field wall, which expressed that sentiment “Washington slept here.” Torres’s claim to fame (and this is a great trivia question) was that he was on the field for all of the forfeited games in baseball during the 1970’s. Torres was with the Yankees when the final game in Washington was forfeited when fans rushed the field in 1971; he was in Cleveland for the nickel beer night fiasco in 1974 and was with the Sox during the “Disco Demolition” forfeit in 1979. May 16, 1984 - Carlton Fisk had one of his finest games as he became the third player in franchise history to hit for the cycle in a game. It came against the Royals at Comiskey Park. Despite Fisk’s efforts the Sox would lose it 7-6. Carlton went 4 for 5 with two runs and two RBI’s in the game. The triple, by the way, was the only one he’d hit that season.