Everything posted by Lip Man 1
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Why did the downfall happen and could it have been avoided?
Back when Jerry actually spoke with the media both he and Einhorn both said they don't believe in paying for possible "potential."
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This Day In Sox History...May 24
May 24, 1929 - In one of the greatest pitching performances in the history of baseball, Sox starter Ted Lyons threw all 21 innings in a heartbreaking 6-5 loss to the Tigers. He allowed 24 hits in the 21 innings and faced an incredible 85 hitters. His opponent that day, George Uhle, pitched 20 innings and faced 79 batters himself. Only five other hurlers have ever thrown more innings in a game than Lyons, none of those from the White Sox May 24, 1946 - Sox manager Jimmy Dykes was fired by the organization. Dykes was in charge for 12 years, 13 days, the longest tenure in franchise history. His White Sox record was 899-940. The 899 wins is the franchise’s most ever by a manager. He also was involved in a footnote that could have changed White Sox and baseball history. In March 1938, the White Sox played a benefit exhibition against the Pasadena Sox, a group of young players from that California city. Holding forth on the local team was a 19-year-old black youth who made several brilliant plays. Dykes said, “Geez, if that kid was white, I’d sign him right now.” In March of 1942, Dykes allowed the phenom and another black baseball player, Nate Moreland, to try out for the White Sox. He sent them away without an offer. Perhaps he allowed the tryouts only to deflect racial criticism, since no Major League team had yet expressed any positive attitude toward integration. In any event, nothing came of it. How history might have changed if he had been able to offer a contract to that phenom, a lad named Jackie Robinson! May 24, 1961 - For the first time since the 1950 season the Sox dropped into last place in the American League for a time after they lost a double header in Baltimore 5-3 and 6-4. The plight of the Sox actually caused some Chicago aldermen in city council session to publicly ask what was going on. The Sox would rebound though to end the year in fourth place with 86 wins. May 24, 1967 - Sox first baseman Tommy McCraw had his career day. In a game at Minnesota, McCraw slammed three home runs and knocked in eight RBI’s as the Sox pounded the Twins 14-1. On the day he went 3 for 6, with three runs scored. The eight RBI’s, tied a franchise record. May 24, 1983 - The 1983 season turned around completely on this evening as the White Sox destroyed Boston and pitcher Doug Bird 12-4. Bird, who hadn’t lost a game in two years, was roughed up as the Sox blasted five home runs on the night. Greg Luzinski hit one of them which was his fifth shot in five games. It was the start of the drive that would lead, four months later, to the Western Division championship and 99 wins. May 24, 2011 - Sox outfielder Carlos Quentin wrote his name in the franchise record book when he hit three home runs in a game against the Rangers. Quentin hit them before and after a rain/high wind delay of almost three hours which caused the game to end at 1:27AM local time. He went 3 for 5 on the night with five RBI’s in the Sox 8-6 win.
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Why did the downfall happen and could it have been avoided?
Simple answer: An incompetent, dysfunctional and inept front office led by an owner who feels "fiscal responsibility" is more important than winning despite the fact MLB is a 10 Billion dollar a year business.
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Past time to get Anderson out of the top of the order
Offensively, Anderson — who led the majors with a .335 batting average in 2019 — is ‘‘an [at-bat] away, a game away from taking off and hitting .320 the rest of the year,’’ Grifol said. ‘‘I’m not concerned, I’m not panicked.’’ ? "I’m the best player on the field every time I step on the field. I think everybody knows that." -Anderson to Merkin Wednesday.
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5/23 Sox @ Guardians 5:10PM
“Robert is just day to day,” Grifol said. “Has some soreness in his quad. But he’s good. I’m going to give him the day [off Wednesday].”
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Aaron Hicks
It should stop I agree. Unfortunately the front office seems to think this is a "winning" philosophy and it filters down to some fans.
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And That's A Romy Gonzalez White Sox Winner!!!
At the time of the 1994 labor impasse with MLB shut down in August the Texas Rangers were in first place in the division with a record of 52-62. Given there were only 48 games remaining the odds of them getting over the .500 mark were very slim. They would have played the Sox in the first round if the season continued. Every team in the division was under .500 at the time of the stoppage.
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Aaron Hicks
More dumpster diving...that's the White Sox way!
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This Day In Sox History...May 23
May 23, 1954 - The Sox quest to find a competent third baseman appeared to be at an end as G.M. Frank Lane sent infielder Grady Hatton and $100,000 dollars to Boston for All-Star George Kell. It was the first time the Red Sox had sold a player outright since the “Babe” Ruth deal. Kell’s best year was 1955 when he hit .312 with 81 RBI’s. However, he had a bad back which limited his playing time and he was traded to the Orioles early in 1956 as part of a six-player deal.
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5/22 White Sox @ Guardians. First pitch at 5:10. Lambert vs. Gaddis
Reading the postgame story at the Sun-Times I didn't realize that Zunino had a total of ONE HIT the entire month of May before his home run tonight. Only in the world of the White Sox whom the baseball gods continue to s%*# on until, they get new ownership.
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5/22 White Sox @ Guardians. First pitch at 5:10. Lambert vs. Gaddis
And yet again the runs for the Guardians score with two out in an inning. Been happening all year against this pitching staff.
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5/22 White Sox @ Guardians. First pitch at 5:10. Lambert vs. Gaddis
Sox get two hits tonight in six innings vs. a pitcher with an ERA of almost six. All you can do is laugh.
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5/22 White Sox @ Guardians. First pitch at 5:10. Lambert vs. Gaddis
Nope...they still have it. 30 losses now and it isn't even June yet.
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This Day In Sox History...May 22
May 22, 1928 - Sox center fielder Johnny Mostil tied former center fielder Oscar “Happy” Felsch with an A.L. record 12 chances in a 4-3 win over the Indians. Mostil took advantage of a cavernous Comiskey Park center field to grab 10 fly balls (including all three outs in the top of the third) among all the chances. Mostil also initiated an inning-ending double play in the top of the sixth, snagging a liner off the bat of future Sox player Luke Sewell. As if scampering deep to center and into left and right field for fly balls wasn’t enough of a testament to Mostil’s speed and quickness, he also scored the eventual winning run on a wild pitch by George Uhle — from second base! Mostil also had three hits on the day, scoring two runs. May 22, 1977 - Richie Zisk became only the second Sox player in franchise history to hit a home run into the center field bleachers under the exploding scoreboard at Comiskey Park. He joined Dick Allen (1972) as the only Sox players to ever accomplish it. Zisk’s blast off the Tigers Dave Rozema in the eighth inning didn’t help the Sox win however. They got beat 14-3 despite recording 12 hits on the day. May 22, 1990 - Sox catcher Carlton Fisk struck a blow for baseball traditionalists. Fisk got into a verbal exchange with Yankee outfielder Deion Sanders after the two-sport star drew a dollar sign in the batter’s box before an at bat at Yankee Stadium, and then failed to run out a pop up. Fisk followed Sanders back to the Yankee dugout while shouting, “Run the ball out you piece of s%*#.” The next time Sanders came up to bat he said something to Fisk. Carlton started to go after him when John Hirschbeck, the home plate umpire intervened. Fisk was asked after the game what else he told Sanders. "There is a right way and a wrong way to play this game. You're playing it the wrong way. And the rest of us don't like it. Someday, you're going to get this game shoved right down your throat." May 22, 2019 – It was a night of firsts for the White Sox in a 9-4 win over the Astros. Things started off in the third inning when Houston had runners on first and second with no out. Future Sox player Jake Marisnick hit a shot down to third base. Yoan Moncada fielded it and stepped on the bag for the out, fired to second baseman Yolmer Sanchez for out number two, who relayed the ball to first baseman Jose Abreu just in time to nip Marisnick for a triple play. Then with the Sox up 4-3 in the sixth inning, outfielder Charlie Tilson launched a grand slam into the right field seats. It was Tilson’s first big-league home run. It was the first time in franchise history the Sox had both a grand slam and a triple play in the same game and only the fourth time in 40 years that had happened in baseball.
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And That's a White Sox Sweep !!
1973 Mets (but they had very good pitching)
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Clevinger to IL
Correct. Pitchers drop like flies today. The Sox themselves have gone through this before, it was in 2018 or 2019 they had nine pitchers on the IL during a stretch. Yet clueless Hahn decides he doesn't need to get support. ? Seriously, how stupid can this guy be? You have to basically plan for at least, AT LEAST six guys ready to be in the rotation. I've always felt the best five after what they have shown in the spring are in the rotation to start, the sixth man is the long guy and the guy who takes the ball when the DH's start piling up. That can change during the season of course based on injury and effectiveness or lack of effectiveness.
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5/21 Royals @ White Sox 1:10 start. Hernandez vs. Lynn
CBS Sportsline just a few days ago had a story on what they have been hearing and some options being discussed is the elimination of divisions or just taking the top six teams regardless of where they are located based on win percentage and they go to the post season. Personally I think that's the way it should be, the best six go, no more "artificial" races.
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Clevinger to IL
Sun-Time story said he was seen with his right hand in a brace. No other details as to how it happened or what caused it or if he was dealing with this for awhile.
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And That's a White Sox Sweep !!
Exactly...and that would be among the worst possible scenarios. Plus more arrogance from Rick and company about how they "told all of us." It's really possible some team will win this division and make the playoffs WITH A LOSING REGULAR SEASON RECORD. It would be the butt of jokes for a very long time especially when said team got hammered in the playoffs. Honestly in that situation I would hope the Sox wouldn't "win" anything.
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Fire Rick Hahn
https://www.southsidesox.com/2023/5/21/23729824/white-sox-hey-rick-hahn-is-this-what-you-wanted
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And That's a White Sox Sweep !!
Well they'll be down a starting pitcher for a game or two at least. We'll see how Grifol does with an "opener" since the Sox don't have any depth in this area. Thanks Rick!
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This Day In Sox History...May 21
May 21, 1905 - White Sox pitcher Frank Smith fired a one-hitter in beating the Senators 2-1 at South Side Park. Washington scored their only run and got their only hit in the first inning as Smith walked former teammate Charlie Jones to open the game then after an out, he was driven home on a single by Jake Stahl. Smith helped his own cause in the fifth inning by hitting a double then when he was on third base came home on a bobbled ground ball resulting in an error. It was the decisive run in the game. Washington made three errors on the afternoon with the game played in front of over 25-thousand fans. May 21, 2009 - The White Sox tied the team record for worst defeat based on run difference in their history, when they were annihilated 20-1 by the Twins at U.S. Cellular Field. The 19-run difference was first set on May 10, 2002 in Anaheim. Bartolo Colon, Lance Broadway and Jimmy Gobble gave up all the runs. Colon at least had something of an excuse…of the eight runs he allowed, seven were unearned!
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Burger to the outfield???
From the Sun-Times story today (Saturday): "Jake Burger has never played in the Sox outfield, but Grifol said that’s something the team has talked about a “little bit.” One concern Grifol acknowledged is Burger’s injury history, including a ruptured achilles tendon he suffered in 2018." Nothing surprises me anymore.
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This Day In Sox History...May 20
I was at that game too.
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Garfein: Tim Anderson hates pitch clock, not Chicago
Much like Alexei Ramirez (whom one of the Sox broadcasters told me was "the dumbest shortstop in the league...) Anderson seems to lose focus and concentration far to often. He seems to have other things on his mind outside of baseball, his off the field antics were an embarrassment, he has lost all his power it seems, he can't stay healthy and has had numerous issues/suspension after interactions with umpires and fans. Other that that Mrs. Lincoln how did you like the play? If this is the "face of the franchise" no wonder the Sox are in a deep hole. Just my opinion.