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QUOTE (Lillian @ Nov 23, 2014 -> 10:57 PM) It's probably much more likely that Sandoval returns to the Giants, or signs with San Diego. That's fine with me. I wasn't enthused about giving him a big fee agent contract. Moreover, a left handed hitting third baseman is not one of our big needs, now with LaRoche. Gillaspie will be fine at 3B, if he improves his defense a little, and we let someone else take his place vs lefties. Actually the red Sox are still trying to get sandoval. The rumors are Handley ramirez might play left field and red Sox still sign panda for 3rd.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Nov 23, 2014 -> 07:59 PM) I'm just curious. Have you read the all of the recent posts in this thread? Sanchez is far better suited for 2ND, and the Sox will likely need him there, as Micah Johnson is not a Major League defensive second baseman. Semien is not an acceptable MLB defensive SS. So how do we know Micah Johnson is not a major league defensive second basemen. He hasn't even played a game in the majors. We had a good defensive second baseman in Beckham but see he is not on the team cause he couldn't hit. If johnson comes up and produces offense and acceptable defense then we only have to worry about ss if alexei is traded. But time will tell us in spring training what johnson is fully like. The thing about semien at ss is the fact he's only appeared there 6 times in his major league career. 3 time in 2013 and 3 in 2014. Of the 6 times semien has been there only 4 games started. So he hasn't fully gotten a look there. He has appeared at 3b the most over the last 2 seasons at 50 times but has 13 errors. So he may not be the best suited there unless he works out his defense better. His second most played position is 2b with 29 appearances with 4 errors. The thing we do need to look at is no one besides alexei has hardly gotten a look at ss cause ramirez has started 157 games there 14.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Nov 23, 2014 -> 02:52 PM) Garcia should not be on the MLB roster if we want to compete. Simple as that. He would be a fine September call up for pinch running and such but that is about it. I really wish they would have kept Garcia in the minors last year to get consistent at bats. I remember reading somewhere that the sox were surprised his bat skill were so down. If the sox are competing this year then they shouldnt have any of the group of sanchez, garcia, johnson, semien, or saladino being bench players. would prefer who ever wins the second base job and if they trade alexei the ss position being only ones on the roster. rest being in the minors getting at bats and bring in veterans for the bench spots.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 23, 2014 -> 02:51 PM) Phil Rogers ‏@philgrogers 3m3 minutes ago White Sox likely to finalize Adam LaRoche deal Monday. Stockpiling SS depth, with AAA regular Juan Diaz the latest. Alexei Ramirez in play. I had seen somewhere else too that Laroche was supposed to take his physical on monday when he signs. means a move of some sort has to be done in the next 24 hours to clear a roster spot. still would prefer the sox dealt ramirez to get pitching.

I'm sure the Astros are going to be asking pretty high on castro and fowler. Castro was a former first round draft pick and not going to give him a way cheaply. Plus the fact castro still has 2 yrs before free agency. Fowler will be probably high just for the fact the astros need talent. Bassitt and Webb would be high I think for fowler just because we are desperate for bullpen help. Trading away need doesn't help.

Ten Big-name trade candidates. Alexei listed at #7 http://m.mlb.com/news/article/102179850/an...rade-candidates

I remember when Saladino got hurt that I believe Hahn was pretty disappointed. He is a article when saladino got injured and hahns comments about it. http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2014080...orts/140808811/ Also ran across this one as well. http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/101...cus-to-recovery

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/11/21/lev...rizona-catcher/

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 21, 2014 -> 03:25 PM) For what it's worth Buster Onley ranked the top 10 SS's in baseball in an insider article today. http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/buster-olney/post?id=8669 According to the article he ranked them...."Through conversations with team evaluators, general managers and our own statistical analysts" to come up with this list. The list...and I'll put a breif synopsis of why each guy is ranked where they are according to Buster 1. Simmons- Basically he's by far the best defensive SS in the game is still young and fairly cheap. 2. Peralta- He's top 5 in both OPS and defensive runs saved among SS's the past 3 years. 3. Desmond- His combo of speed and power makes him a "dynamic" player 4. Tulo- If it wasn't for injuries he would be clear cut #1 5. Hardy- GG defense and 20 HR power make him one of the best 6. Crawford- Didn't say much....just that he's consistent and saves runs on D 7. Aybar- Consistent hitter who puts the ball in play and doesn't K 8. Alexei- (copy and pasted whole excerpt) He has some value in the trade market (see below). Justin Havens of ESPN Stats & Info sent along this note about his defense and offense: “He may be slipping defensively, at least as measured by defensive runs saved -- he’s gone from +14 to +1 to -4 since 2012. Also, through the end of May, he was hitting .329 with a .479 slugging percentage; after that, he hit .243 with a .370 slugging over a span of 423 plate appearances." 9. Escobar- Likened him to Hardy...consistent all around 10. Castro- shows flashes but his D is bad and isn't consistent enough Well there it is....feel free to pick it apart. And remember to save all rude comments for Buser Olney. I'm just the messenger. I did notice the offensive point as the year was going on for alexei. He hit .300 through abut the end of June and just fell off. He pretty much had 3 good months and 3 crappy months. Hit .342 in april, .305 may, .230 june, .235 july, .291 august, and .209 in September.

I have to image it would be quintana plus just for bruce. Bruce has 3 yrs on his contract. The Cardinals paid for 1 yr of Heyward and 2 yrs of Walden with 4 yrs of miller and 6 yrs of jenkins. Can't imagine what the red would want for bruce. Tho I can't believe the reds have latos, leake, cueto and Simon all going into free agency next yr. That's sucks to lose 4 starting pitchers all at once.

We don't know a 100 percent montero can't hit again. We do know the sox catchers can't hit to begin with. One stat I didn't realize is flowers struck out 159 times last year. We need to try to upgrade that spot if possible. Now I could possibly see a danks for montero swap. The dbacks are pretty desperate for pitching. Montero has had 2 down seasons in a row and his 40 million over the next 3 seasons is a sunk cost as in danks 28 million for 2 yrs is with us. If the dbacks are tying to ask for something better then the likes of danks then they are going to eating a ton of money.

Listed on white sox website about sox looking into Miguel Montero also. http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/2014/11/21/...-miguel-montero

Buster Olney Rival evaluators say the White Sox asking price on Alexei Ramirez is steep, to the degree that you'd want to be buying in for 2-3 years. https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/535600657445945344

Ready to hear groans on this one but if micah johnson comes into spring training and plays really well then him and Eaton are my 1/2 punch at the top of the order. Johnson gets on and steals bases with Eaton being able to handle the bat behind him.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 09:15 AM) I also don't think that scenario is part of the "dream package" KW promised, either. We might as well hire MAYHEM from the All-State Commercials to patrol LF in that case. We already have MAYHEM in left field. His name is Dayan Viciedo.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 08:47 AM) They also have Freiman for 1B. Seem pretty set...except for the back-end of their rotation...and they replaced Cespedes bat (finally) with Butler, at least in their minds. They probably still need a shortstop

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 07:59 AM) for me. and i am interjecting here, i really like any 3 of the catchers from Oak. they all can play 1b, dh and of course catching. 1 of them can play 3 b and the other can also play the OF. they are cost control. the thing is, if Oak was needing some young pitchers, and are incline to trade, would they be interested. Vogt is the only one to play any time at first. Norris only played there once in his career and jaso only twice. Figure jaso and Norris are primary catchers with vogt backing them up and at first would have to imagine pretty hard to pry one lose.

Report: Marlins have 2/20 offer to LaRoche - Adam LaRoche | WAS http://t.co/daTxQd9Pqf

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 19, 2014 -> 04:55 PM) That's true that the good prospects are at least a year away, but the Sox currently have 3 5th-starters in the rotation and probably another 1 or 2 that could deliver similarly. so they are going to have to sign a #3ish pitcher to be competitive. That would make Danks (or another) expendable. So they should be willing to ship Danks in any number of trades, whether to absorb money, or a change of scenery move (Etheir/Danks) or whatever. Yes the sox have a bunch of 5th starter type option. For the sox to compete they only need to have one as the 5th starter. that means they need to get 2 more starters. I'm not saying the sox shouldn't try to upgrade from danks but if he is stuck on the team hes not the worst pitcher in the world. if he puts up the numbers of 2014 or better then hes not going to kill the sox. whats going to kill them is having a bunch of 5th starter types. Im sure the sox would like to unload danks but if it was easy to do then they would have done it already. so im guessing the would have to eat a good amount of the contract and they dont usually do that. i really dont like the idea of swapping the one bad contract for another. If it was for 2 years like danks and possibly got us something we were missing then fine but more years on the other contract means more time stuck with it.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 19, 2014 -> 10:50 AM) Nobody has said this. Barring injury or falling off the rails completely, Rodon will pitch for the White Sox this year out of the rotation and will probably end up around 150-160 innings overall. I think they'll acquire another starting pitcher. At that point, your top 4 will likely be Sale, Quintana, new guy, and Rodon. Whether the 5th is Danks, Noesi, Bassitt, Jack McDowell, Wilbur Wood, or whoever, it doesn't matter. No one said that but you complained he wasn't league average. No one in the majors has everyone at league average. Eminor3rd said cause of his performance he should have been sent down to Charlotte if it wasn't for his contract. Shouldn't Verlander have been sent down for the tigers if it wasn't based on his contract for last year

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 19, 2014 -> 10:39 AM) They don't have to sink a ton of money into the rotation. There will be options available both via free agency and trade that will be worthwhile investments, and the Sox have Rodon sitting in the minors (along with guys like Beck, Bassitt, Danish, and Montas in the mid-to-high minors) who could make an impact as well. If you want someone better them danks starting next year right off that bat you will have to put a good amount of money or prospects to get it. If are not happy with danks era and want better then the sox shouldn't have noesi in the 4 rotation either. Look at the teams who made the post season and tell me non of them didn't have a guy with the a era in the 4. Again no one knows when rodon will be available. Beck, Danish and Montas still could be ways away.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Nov 19, 2014 -> 10:36 AM) Pretty sure that's not what he was saying. From wite earlier in the thread: "I don't want them going with [Danks] out of veteran deferance or contractual status. I want them going with him because he's one of the 5 best starting pitchers, even if that's below league average." Someone else said danks is bad because of his high above league average. Pretty much said if he's not league average then he shouldn't be in the rotation. Right now he is one of the best starting option the sox have. You have sale, quintana, noesi and danks. Carroll posted a 5.40 era in his 19 starts last year. Rienzo posted a 5.97 era in 11 starts last year. The only one to not have extensive time pitching in the rotation was bassitt. No body knows what happening with rodon. For the sox to have a better option then to have a a guy like danks i the rotation then they need 3 new pitchers.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 19, 2014 -> 10:10 AM) The point is not to have one of the best 5th starters in the league though, or to have an OK 5th starter. The point is to win ball games. If there's a superior option, would you still insist on using Danks because he's a perfectly fine 5th starter? That's the point I'm trying to make at this time. There are superior options other then danks but do you want the sox to sink a ton of money into the rotation then. Scherzer is a superior option. So your saying if we can replace danks we should get scherzer. Also for the sox to have league average in the rotation then the sox need to have 3 new starters to go with sale and quintana. How about we get Lester, scherzer and shields so that we don't have to worry about guys like danks or the other options the sox have that aren't danks types with bad eras. Maybe we should get Samardzija for a bunch of prospects and replace danks that way.

My 2 cents on danks. The difference with duke vs danks is that duke is a failed starter and danks is not. You guys are complaining about paying 10 million AAV for miller but would be fine with danks and 14 plus million in the pen. If danks is on the team is most value to the team is starting pitcher. Again he made 32 starts tied with quintana on the team and had 193 innings second most behind quintana. A 5th starter to make 32 starts, 193 innings and sub 5 era isn't nothing to sneeze at. Yes he's being paid way more then a 5th starter. I want to bring up brandon Mccarthy. His last deal signed was for 2yrs/18 million for 2013-14 seasons. His 2012 numbers was a 3.24 era with only 18 starts made and 111 innings. Those stats got him 9 million AAV. Jason Hammel signed a 1 yr 6 million contract for 2014 season. His stats in 2013 was a 4.97 era, 23 starts and 139 innings. Both are possibly going to be at 10 million or more a year for just about having career years for them in parts of 2014 season.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 18, 2014 -> 03:57 PM) First off, no chance of Pederson coming back for Alexei, that's just beyond unreasonable. The Dodgers are trying to make room for Pederson, not trade him. I'm hoping the Sox are focused on some kind of package around Schebler. What no Pederson. Kinda funny alot people thought we should get Snydergaard for alexei.