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35 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said:
Steve Stone said it ain't happening, and Heyman is saying Twins are our main competitors. He is going back to Minny.
Twins should be heavy favorites to land Cruz, and they may have to go 2 years to get it done. They have more payroll flexibility remaining right now than the Sox, I’d estimate about $25 million.
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1 minute ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:
What would a trade for him look like?
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/jon-gray-592351?stats=statcast-r-pitching-mlb
Yikes, Gray's baseball savant is ugly after that 2020 performance. I'd rather look elsewhere for a SP.
As for trade value? Gray's has to be pretty low at this point.
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1 hour ago, Jack Parkman said:
I know everyone's going to hate it, because righty and stuff but I think that Yoenis Cespedes will be the Sox DH this year.
Todos los Cubanos.
Not before he proves himself in the minors first. Dude has never played organized baseball in the USA outside of the WBC a few years back.
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19 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:
Benjamin Bailey isn’t comparable?
Bailey is a nice young prospect, unfortunately our system does not have much young prospect depth for us to trade from.
Clearly clubs are valuing int'l signings and prep prospects over college players at the moment in trades
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3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:
Nothing special in that package from what I can tell, would have seen if they would taken some pieces like Adolfo and Sheets instead.
Escotto is a legit young prospect. We don’t really have a comparable guy in our system
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50 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/6800306/mlb-how-trades-get-done
This is a pretty good explanation of what it takes to make a trade from within an organization. Interesting to keep in mind.
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3 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said:
It would never happen but I would've shopped Crochet heavily this offseason. His value will never be higher, IMO, and if you could get a Burnes type or a stud RF with control, that's an easy trade for me to make
That is false. If Crochet stays healthy and deals this year I could see his value skyrocketing. There are not many LHP on earth that can throw a baseball like him.
The floor, assuming health, looks to be a solid setup man. The ceiling is Randy Johnson.
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Just now, YourWhatHurts said:
If you look at the Cubs, they traded Cease, Eloy, and Gleybar as "smaller" centerpieces whose values would have grown immensely had they waited another 6 months to a year.
Personally I don't blame Theo and their FO. They were under more pressure than any other team in baseball and maybe under more pressure than other other US team in major professional sports to actually win a title and break the loser image, so they managed things in a way that was a little more desperate.
OTOH, I think because the Sox have 2005, at the very least, they should try to let their young guys get to that next level where, if they are still traded, they can bring back a higher level of talent. The Cubs for all of those guys still just got a half year of a closer and like 3 years of a mid-rotation starter.
Cubs were in the thick of their contention window and badly needed Chapman to help them get over the top...and it worked out. Any smart Cubs fan would trade Torres all day for that 2016 World Series victory
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11 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said:
Ok now to reality, who on this site makes this deal:
Crochet + Madrigal + Stiever or Dalquist + Yolbert Sanchez or Cristian Mena for Corbin Burnes + Some MLB bench or inconsequential RP piece
If they want better upside than Kelly, then the next step up is Crochet. And I also can't see them wanting a package around Crochet without also wanting a SP prospect with some more certainty as insurance.
Hard pass. Madrigal/Crochet/Stiever package would have me wanting more than Burnes, that puts you in the conversation for Woodruff.
Vaughn/Kopech/Crochet are untouchables at the moment for the Sox
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4 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:
The Sox bounty for sucking is Burger, Collins, Madrigal, Vaughn, and Crochet. Everything else came via trade or signing or draft pick they would have had if they had won 100 games. These guys all signed for around slot, so the extra pool means nothing either.
You are going to need a couple of these guys if you want this to be sustained, because every year of success, the paychecks get bigger and you know Uncle Jer right now is shitting his pants at a league average payroll. Replacements cost a lot, especially when you are trying to win.
Which is why we should not trade a Vaughn/Kopech/Crochet at this stage, replacing them would prove costly.
Abreu is not getting any younger, and the Sox can pay Vaughn peanuts for several years.
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1 minute ago, iWiN4PreP said:
No idea how you can think that this is not a bad contract.
Springer is 31 years old. This contract puts him on the Jays until he is 37 (!!!!).
Springer has had some superstar years, but at 31 years old his days of CF are coming to an end quickly. He's been somewhat injury prone as well. Looking at the contract, IDK the exact details but if we take it as 25 million AAV... that puts him as the third most expensive outfielder in the game according to : https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/rankings/salary/outfield/ for 2021...
...Right next to Jason Heyward, Justin Upton, Will Myers, McCutchen, Pollock, Fowler, Cain... you get the idea... other bad contracts.
This is an obvious bad contract.
But it is also obvious that the Blue Jays HAVE to sign players at terrible contracts to bring them to Toronto... so I get it and give them respect.
But this is going to be BAD and fast.
I totally agree^
You do have quite a bit of Sox twitter who will moan about how the Sox are cheap because they did not sign *insert big money FA* to a gigantic contract that is likely to go sideways.
We all want to Sox to spend to improve the club, even overpay at times if necessary, but 6 year deals to players on the wrong side of 30 are how you kill a club.
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16 minutes ago, SoxAce said:
great move for Sox bats to feast on
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5 minutes ago, iWiN4PreP said:
Eloy is our DH for the future.
Abreu has at least another 2 years. Very high chance Abreu has another 4 years.
I have 100% no problem giving up Vaughn right now for a stud SP before Vaughn comes up and has the possibility of becoming Nate Lowe.
If we can't develop another 1b in 3-5 years or sign one or trade for one if need be, then IDK... but I am not worried at all about losing Vaughn. However, I am very very much worried about our SP ability this upcoming year (and in the future).
Moving Eloy to DH permanently just creates another hole in LF, and the organization does not have any obvious candidates to fill that spot.
Vaughn has the upside of being a .300-30-100 middle of the order hitter who gets on base. Sox certainly want to keep him.
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4 minutes ago, iWiN4PreP said:
Trying to keep up with you guys...
... Hoping that this rumor still has steam and maybe we see it happen tonight?
Anyway..
1) You do NOT trade Kopech. That's ridiculous. Someone already mentioned it, but that serves very little purpose -- acquire a SP only to trade a similar one.
2) I have no problem trading Vaughn for a Burnes type. Gotta think the Brewers are much more interested in Vaughn than Madrigal. We have Eloy at DH for the future and Abreu at 1b for some time. Vaughn doesn't have a spot on this team. Trade him.
3) I'd keep Madrigal. Unless the Brewers are massively overvaluing Madrigal, I see no reason to trade him.
I'd do Vaughn + Stevier + lotto tickets or something?
I would be shocked if the Sox dealt 6+ seasons of control over Vaughn with no clear DH and Abreu not getting any younger. He could be MLB ready sometime in the second half of 2021 and be our long term answer at 1B/DH.
Sox do not play at the top of the FA market and cannot afford to trade potential future stars like Vaughn/Kopech/Crochet
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1 minute ago, RagahRagah said:
Didn't we say the same thing about Moncada?
Moncada was one of the best prospects in baseball at the time of the Sale trade.
I like Burnes. I would be happy if the Sox acquired him. I just question why the Brewers would be willing to move him when his value could get even higher if he's actually the pitcher he was in 2020?
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Just now, Rey21 said:
I believe that’s probably the package plus one more and think it’s crazy that anybody saying that’s a lot for a pitcher with potential to take over the #2 spot in the rotation with contract control.
No doubt Burnes looked great in 2020, but his awful 2019, allowing 70 hits in 49 IP, does give me some concern.
It is valid to ask why Milwaukee would trade him unless they felt this was selling high?
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1 hour ago, Rey21 said:
They could move Hiura to 1B with Madrigal at 2B, of course they’d want Vaughn but I also feel like the Brewers and Sox have enough of a working relationship to have ideas on other players that could make a deal work, I don’t think Vaughn has to be included - Kopech maybe
I would be very surprised if the Sox dealt Vaughn/Kopech/Crochet this offseason.
Burnes is interesting, but I do question why Milwaukee would be willing to move him for less than a big package. Sox farm is top heavy and not deep.
Reading between the lines, I could see some form of a Madrigal/Heuer/Kelley package being offered
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2 minutes ago, Soxnfins said:
If Vera can even become a solid back-end guy, he's going to be fairly useful. #4/#5 with #3 potential, no?
Tough to say until he plays in the US, but he appears to have the stuff and command to start. Will immediately become one of the more interesting arms in the system.
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7 minutes ago, bmags said:
Adam Wainwright - 6 mill
Auston Romine - MILB contract $2 mill if makes roster
Tommy La Stella - 1 year, 8 million, 2nd year club option for 10 million with $2 million buyout.
If they cannot get Quintana, Wainwright for around $6 million would be a nice veteran addition on a one year deal.
Richards just cannot stay healthy.
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4 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:
This. I could do without Flowers and just let the in house guys have at the BU catcher role, but Quintana + LaStella seems like a no brainer.
Agreed.
Quintana/Richards/Archer/Leake sign as #4 starter
La Stella / Brad Miller / Profar add as another bat with versatility
Flowers would be solid if budget room remains. Going with Collins/Zavala/Mercedes wouldn't be the end of the world though
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4 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said:
I don’t think so. They seem to be hinting that Richards is more likely.
My take is that Richards is a fall back option for the Sox at around $8 million on a one year deal. Could start or be used out of the pen.
Sox are interested in Kluber, but so is at least 75% of the league. Competition for him will be stiff, as even rebuilding clubs would value him as a deadline trade asset if healthy.
I think they are also exploring trade possibilities, although I suspect they keep their trade chips for a deadline deal and prefer the FA route.
Paxton and Quintana could be of interest as well.
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11 minutes ago, Rounding_Third said:
Never happen, way tooo expensive for Sox backup catcher. 3 predictions have him $9m, 10m, & 12m.
I'd be pretty surprised if Molina got anywhere near that much money at his age.
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Just now, hi8is said:
Would love both of them. You could do a lot worse than a 39 year old Wainwright as your number 5 and a bulldog backup in Molina. Both of course have TLR written all over them.
Wainwright could be a really solid veteran addition to the backend of the rotation. A John Lackey "light" so to speak that would not require more than a one year deal.
If he falters, you can go with Kopech/Stiever/etc.
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2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:
It's not about him, it's about the unwritten code of baseball ethics. You'd really piss his agent off, for one.
I do not know if it really matters. Once players sign they are fully aware they can be traded at any time, it is just business. He still gets his money.
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Hector wrong. Again. - Cruz back with Min
in The Diamond Club
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Those moves would fit the budget for sure